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    How difficult is it to be able to ship a package on a Saturday! Jesus UPS! At this point I could have just diven it there myself! I'm billing you for gas and milage! You hear that UPS!

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    So you value your "friends" based on their "usefulness?" Very well. Noted.
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    What is it with socialists? Their denial is palpable. Just admit that socialism is motivated by self-interest. The "good for all" part is so not their priority although it makes them feel better about themselves to believe this. :rolli:

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    WHY IN THE FUCKING WORLD HAVE I DECIDED TO FOLLOW MY IMPULSES!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenaphor View Post
    What is it with socialists? Their denial is palpable. Just admit that socialism is motivated by self-interest. The "good for all" part is so not their priority although it makes them feel better about themselves to believe this. :rolli:
    Actually, any rational socialist (or rather, person with Democratic Socialist or Social Democracy leanings...I don't know many *real* "Socialists") - including a friend of mine who is a very intelligent INTP with a PhD in Philosophy - recognizes that interdependence is entirely rational both in terms of preserving self and community. It is not entirely motivated by self-interest, but not entirely motivated through altruism. It is the rational acceptance that living in harmony with other people in society who are educated, healthy, and well-fed will lead to a collectively better society for EVERYONE (including one's self) ...and tends to decrease crime and pollution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    Actually, any rational socialist (or rather, person with Democratic Socialist or Social Democracy leanings...I don't know many *real* "Socialists") - including a friend of mine who is a very intelligent INTP with a PhD in Philosophy - recognizes that interdependence is entirely rational both in terms of preserving self and community. It is not entirely motivated by self-interest, but not entirely motivated through altruism. It is the rational acceptance that living in harmony with other people in society who are educated, healthy, and well-fed will lead to a collectively better society for EVERYONE (including one's self) ...and tends to decrease crime and pollution.
    And quoting your friend is relevant or just a form of appealing to authority?

    Come on Marm. You believe in honesty. Be honest. If you were doing extremely well financially and socially in the current environment, would you honestly be touting the benefits of socialism as much? If you say yes, my b/s meter will be whooping off the scales.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenaphor View Post
    And quoting your friend is relevant or just a form of appealing to authority?

    Come on Marm. You believe in honesty. Be honest. If you were doing extremely well financially and socially in the current environment, would you honestly be touting the benefits of socialism as much? If you say yes, my b/s meter will be whooping off the scales.


    I think you really have a serious issue with projecting yourself and your own feelings or beliefs on to other people. I'm seriously questioning your ability to be rational about this topic at this point.

    If I was extremely financially well off I'd still philosophically believe in social democracy for the overall effect of good it produces in society - which is a perfectly rational thing - and I'd contribute a sizable chunk of my wealth into social programs.

    It apparently has escaped you that many wealthy and upper middle-class people from the past and present are strong supporters of social democracy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenaphor View Post
    If you were doing extremely well financially and socially in the current environment, would you honestly be touting the benefits of socialism as much? If you say yes, my b/s meter will be whooping off the scales.
    Yes. There are people in socialist, democratic societies who tout the system as something that is both functional and acceptable. I've always though that most economic systems are viable, because most of them have worked under certain circumstances and at certain times. Furthermore, it would be incorrect to say that wealth or social status would prevent a person from genuinely supporting a socialist system or social democracy. One could compare the wealth of the citizenry from any number of real countries and see that proponents of this economic system appear in wealthy societies as well as non-wealthy societies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post


    I think you really have a serious issue with projecting yourself and your own feelings or beliefs on to other people. I'm seriously questioning your ability to be rational about this topic at this point.

    If I was extremely financially well off I'd still philosophically believe in social democracy for the overall effect of good it produces in society - which is a perfectly rational thing - and I'd contribute a sizable chunk of my wealth into social programs.

    It apparently has escaped you that many wealthy and upper middle-class people from the past and present are strong supporters of social democracy.
    In a social democracy, you wouldn't have a sizable chunk of wealth to put into social programs.

    You're assuming something about me that's untrue. Not going to explain myself. Ass-ume away!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beargryllz View Post
    Yes. There are people in socialist, democratic societies who tout the system as something that is both functional and acceptable. I've always though that most economic systems are viable, because most of them have worked under certain circumstances and at certain times. Furthermore, it would be incorrect to say that wealth or social status would prevent a person from genuinely supporting a socialist system or social democracy. One could compare the wealth of the citizenry from any number of real countries and see that proponents of this economic system appear in wealthy societies as well as non-wealthy societies.
    Personal wealth and socialism don't align. You can't gather personal wealth in a truly socialistic system.

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