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    Quote Originally Posted by Forever View Post


    Interesting article.
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    Say what?! If INFJs are prone to anxiety (hard to believe if they lead with Ni, which seems to be conclusive, not indecisive at all!) then I'm soooo not one at all.

    I have always thought INFJ to be much more on the zen calm side, than the flighty side. In truth, I've always found it hard to buy INFJ correlating to anything but 1, 4, 5 and 9 because of that (among other things).

    Also @Starry I'm with you on the fact that people rarely mistype as 6's. Loyalists often mistype as quite a variety of other things though, because of their indecision and skepticism.
    Anxiety has nothing to do with MBTI type. If we map MBTI to the five factor model, we find that everything correlates EXCEPT neuroticism, and anxiety is one of several kinds of neuroticism.

    Neuroticism, however, maps very well to Enneagram integration levels. Anxiety in particular maps to the head triad, whose main emotion is fear, and it loosely maps to the other Enneagram types insofar as each type has a "fear" to which they're reacting and for which they're compensating.

    If one wishes to investigate levels of anxiety and how perhaps to deal with them, research Enneagram, not MBTI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by small.wonder View Post

    In fact, this has often been a point I've noted about 6+7 friends, that they feel like they have a strong sense of intuition that is actually skepticism and fear. Intuition and skepticism cannot coexist in my logic, they're just opposites. I do see how anxiety-fueled suspicion can masquerade as intuition though-- making the suspicious person feel like they know this person is ______________. I tend to compare it to McCarthyism, red-scare stuff. That's anxiety, not intuition.
    So skepticism = suspicion + anxiety? Can you expand on that reasoning? Isn't intuition just another way of observation? Skepticism would be doubt placed on that observation but I don't see how it means anxiety though I can see how suspicion can easily be mixed up with skepticism. Skepticism = I'm not sure X is true because (reasons). Suspicion = I suspect that X means something else entirely (maybe a nefarious motive?). Anxiety = X makes me feel nervous, anxious, out of sorts, uncomfortable, etc. Intuition = There may be more to X than meets the eye (which could have a relation to suspicion). Also of note my intuition doesn't work within the realm of certitude. My intuition doesn't chose my answers it just displays more potential answers. Typically my logic and sometimes my feelings ( or a combination of the both) chose the answer(s).

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    Quote Originally Posted by uumlau View Post
    If one wishes to investigate levels of anxiety and how perhaps to deal with them, research Enneagram, not MBTI.
    Funny enough, by discussing correlation, that's exactly what we're doing. To say that "anxiety has nothing to do with MBTI" does not say that certain MBTI types would be more/less prone to it-- especially when discussing the correlation between MBTI and E-types shows us that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZNP-TBA View Post
    So skepticism = suspicion + anxiety? Can you expand on that reasoning? Isn't intuition just another way of observation? Skepticism would be doubt placed on that observation but I don't see how it means anxiety though I can see how suspicion can easily be mixed up with skepticism. Skepticism = I'm not sure X is true because (reasons). Suspicion = I suspect that X means something else entirely (maybe a nefarious motive?). Anxiety = X makes me feel nervous, anxious, out of sorts, uncomfortable, etc. Intuition = There may be more to X than meets the eye (which could have a relation to suspicion). Also of note my intuition doesn't work within the realm of certitude. My intuition doesn't chose my answers it just displays more potential answers. Typically my logic and sometimes my feelings ( or a combination of the both) chose the answer(s).
    Why yes, of course! Especially when you used my favorite explanation phrase ("expand on that")! Like many things, skepticism can have a plethora of motivations, but with 6+7 (as in 6w7 and 7w6) individuals, in my experience, it comes from two places: 1) 6 anxiety, or fear that they are not secure and sometimes 2) 7 disintegration to 1 which can cause a "false sense of justice".

    So, I'm not saying all skepticism is anxiety fueled, I'm saying that within the context of Enneagram 6 (in particular) it is. This conversation started around a claim that INFJ's often type as 6's because they have anxiety. I don't experience that (in myself or other examples I've given), and have always found e6 + INFJ to be a pretty far fetched notion for the reasons already given. I do agree that intuition is observant, but true observation can only be had from a place of clear-headed-ness and calm, not anxiety (in my experience).

    So bottom line: I'm saying that Ni is not a fear-fuled, anxious function.
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    Quote Originally Posted by small.wonder View Post
    Why yes, of course! Especially when you used my favorite explanation phrase ("expand on that")! Like many things, skepticism can have a plethora of motivations, but with 6+7 (as in 6w7 and 7w6) individuals, in my experience, it comes from two places: 1) 6 anxiety, or fear that they are not secure and sometimes 2) 7 disintegration to 1 which can cause a "false sense of justice".

    So, I'm not saying all skepticism is anxiety fueled, I'm saying that within the context of Enneagram 6 (in particular) it is. This conversation started around a claim that INFJ's often type as 6's because they have anxiety. I don't experience that (in myself or other examples I've given), and have always found e6 + INFJ to be a pretty far fetched notion for the reasons already given. I do agree that intuition is observant, but true observation can only be had from a place of clear-headed-ness and calm, not anxiety (in my experience).

    So bottom line: I'm saying that Ni is not a fear-fuled, anxious function.
    It's kind of fun comparing different typology systems all at once.

    I think your first paragraph summed up your point well. I've had the opportunity to know an INFJ 6 (don't know which wing) and she would often 'flaunt' her intuitive prowess because she just 'gets so many things' other people don't. Kind of had a holier than thou complex because she believed she could read anyone correctly at any time. Her 'intuition' was anxiety fueled for sure because she's more often than not suspects shady motives. She wasn't particularly open to being shown she's wrong but I think that's because far too many people in her life put her on some kind of pedestal. Given this limited experience I'm inclined to agree with you.

    I agree about Ni though I think it can be both fear fueled and also come from a calm and clear-headed place. Surely we're not going to put a protective halo around Ni-doms and say they would never get fearful and let it mess with their most dominant function. Wouldn't that happen to anyone based on the situation?

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    So many things has changed.
    I'm done trying to improve, things wont get better, they only change.

    I've done what I could, but I have no will.
    No one have, but God.

    This is why I'm faithful,
    I think, I really think, then I plan, most effective, and not the best because there's always room for cumilative error.
    It's the imperfection element of this universe -and we're familiar with- as long as it's in the state of chaos, where we're all moving time-frane by time-frame, we've been pushed to do so.

    And even so, the plan can work, and it does change many things.
    But it doesn't happen, I'm not getting anybetter, rightafter I solve a problem another is born, I get more skilles but it's harder every other time.

    I'm getting consumed by it.

    I've always known this, this makes sense, it's called limits.
    I respect this, I so respect this, this is when I feel God outpower me,
    I'm not the most badass person but I'm something you can't help but notice.

    I belong to the stereo type of the human who knows but can't talk.
    In history, Moses belings to the same type.

    However this only means I can't talk to people, they will hardly get the chance to understand me, but I can still impact them, cause serious damage, but I'm too wise to do so.

    The entire universe shifting in front of my eyes, I can't show anyone what I see, but it wont make any difference because I can't do anything about it.

    I'm being pushed along.
    I'm respecting every strand of force.
    This is why I worship, guys, an INTJ is too INTJ to be a fool,
    I'm doing so as I am understanding it, believing it.

    I bear it,
    not the wild animal, I mean I know it's weight.

    Sincerly,
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    Quote Originally Posted by small.wonder View Post
    Why yes, of course! Especially when you used my favorite explanation phrase ("expand on that")! Like many things, skepticism can have a plethora of motivations, but with 6+7 (as in 6w7 and 7w6) individuals, in my experience, it comes from two places: 1) 6 anxiety, or fear that they are not secure and sometimes 2) 7 disintegration to 1 which can cause a "false sense of justice".

    So, I'm not saying all skepticism is anxiety fueled, I'm saying that within the context of Enneagram 6 (in particular) it is. This conversation started around a claim that INFJ's often type as 6's because they have anxiety. I don't experience that (in myself or other examples I've given), and have always found e6 + INFJ to be a pretty far fetched notion for the reasons already given. I do agree that intuition is observant, but true observation can only be had from a place of clear-headed-ness and calm, not anxiety (in my experience).

    So bottom line: I'm saying that Ni is not a fear-fuled, anxious function.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Archilochus
    The fox knows many things--the hedgehog one big one.
    And I am not a hedgehog......

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    Jesus said "Blessed are the peacemakers" not "blessed are the conflict avoiders.....

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