Oh, that part actually makes sense. A raped woman lost her virginity and therefor her market value. No decent man will want a sandwich that somebody else has already chewed on. She is soiled and no longer marriage material and therefor doomed to extreme poverty unless her rapist is obliged to marry her. Unless of course your worldview and values differ from that of the ancient Middle East...
Originally Posted by Nicodemus
The Old Testament was written and revised over hundreds of years. It is as far from a sketch as a book can be. The New Testament, written over the course of a few decades by a series of revolutionaries with dubious motives, comes much closer to the definition. Both, of course, were written by mortal men without any help from above. So, he can choose to regard the OT as a sketch and the NT as the real thing, but reason could not have led him to that view. I bet he started there.
Agreed, though I bet he had an explanation (that may or not be reasonable) for that too.
It would be very fun to see you two debating, hah.
I also suspect he does not fully understand the implications of the big bang. Similarly, relying on word logic (ex nihilo nihil fit) to understand complex physical concepts is generally a bad idea.
Seems interesting; gonna watch that later.
Morality is relative. Christians have a hard time accepting that; hence the absurd arguments.
I find it interesting, though, that you even tried the ethical road. Deciding whether or not something is true is not influenced by whether or not is feels good.
Religions work with the implied idea that a God is a timeless entity, with a firm set of values. The idea that a God would adapt his own values to match whatever people regard as good/evil makes the very idea of organized religions illogical.
So if one believes that some of the ethical standards that the Christian Bible advocates are 'wrong' for us, and yet still believes that this is somehow the word of God, then there's a contradiction.
So a rational Christian has to either:
a) partially disconsider the bible as an ethical guide (using an arguably non arbitrary reason for doing so ),
b) pretty much disregard the ethical standards of the western society
I know he isn't crazy enough to advocate the latter, so it made sense to ask how he got to the 'a' path.
A man builds. A parasite asks 'Where is my share?'
A man creates. A parasite says, 'What will the neighbors think?'
A man invents. A parasite says, 'Watch out, or you might tread on the toes of God... '
I don't really expect them to change, either. Yet on the other hand I guess I'd never really devoted any amount of conscious thought towards the subject.
My post was more from a dissociative perspective, only really to say "Hey, I find it mildly interesting that X trait is really the adulthood equivalent of Y trait that most children would express in situation Z"
A lot of things that kids do, adults also do, they just using fancier language, or more subtle methods.
Forget the dead you've left; they will not follow you.
The vagabond who is rapping at your door, is standing in the clothes you once wore.
What's the matter with me? Why am I so easily discouraged?
For me it's a pattern that is very, very difficult to break out of.
It's probably not my place to say this but maybe you're easily discouraged because you're asking yourself "What's the matter with me?" in the first place. That kind of doubt makes it pretty easy to become discouraged. I know it makes me easily discouraged.