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    I don't think symapthy is sexual in nature, I feel sympathy for a squirrel who can't find it's nuts, do I feel some kind of weird sexual attraction? or the sympathy I feel for the child abused, does not mean I have peadophilic tendancies.

    Ergo having sympathy for the dead, is not sexual in nature. When we call a man a peadophile we do not say he did it out of sympathy for the child, so how can you see those who feel sympathy for the dead as being necrophiliacs?

    It's not even feeling sorry for the dead, it's feeling sorry for the end of their life, the end to their existance, especially if they failed to achieve or spent a life in misery. It's sympathy to the loved ones left behind, or empathy.

    People who mourn the dead, don't usually want to screw them, and if they do then that's when we get the white coat men in.
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    Uber, could you please elaborate on what you mean by the sympathy/sexual connection? If you mean it in the conventional sense of the words, I don't think you're going to get much agreement on that point and that is the point your argument hinges on.
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    Well, I always thought that all emotions were, to various extents, driven by sexual feelings from either the conscious or subconscious. And I always thought intimacy is simply the more visible and conscious thought of sexuality. Intimacy equates to powerful feelings, while sympathy is a more PC expression, but is still driven by the same train of thought -- it's an emotion, maybe not powerful, but regardless, an emotion, and so, it's a much, much milder sexual feeling whose sexuality is neither obvious nor felt consciously.

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    ScienceDaily: Search For Sympathy Uncovers Patterns Of Brain Activity

    According to the first article, sympathy activates the amygdala, orbitofrontal cortex, and anterior insular cortex. The first two are part of the limbic system, and the anterior insula is closely related to those subsystems. They are all related to basic emotional function. (This isn't surprising, since sympathy is an emotion.)

    Now, I found elsewhere that sexual function is related to the dopamine-based pleasure/addiction systems. The amygdala is part of this system, but the other activated areas are the nucleus accubens, the ventral tegmental area, and the prefrontal cortex.

    So the only brain region shared between the two processes is the amygdala. That region is known to be associated with with any sort of physiological arousal, from fear, to aggression, to sex. The the other activated regions show that its nature is divergent enough for it to be considered separate.

    Now, do you still believe that sympathy and sexual function are part of the same process, just because they both involve the amygdala? By that token, you could say that aggression towards someone is sexual. So I doubt your theory.

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    Well, at least I'm on the right track -- so as far as I'm concerned, that means I'm right, as always.

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    So, you just believe that you are always right, no matter what anyone says? That's a very... confident stance to take.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberfuhrer View Post
    Well, I always thought that all emotions were, to various extents, driven by sexual feelings from either the conscious or subconscious.
    I think you are ignoring a big factor in life...survival. I could understand saying that all emotions are generally related to survival or sexuality (which, is also related to survival). ...and I'm not saying that I necessarily feel this way, but I could understand it...

    but I think what you are saying is a stretch (wrong)
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    Mourning dead loved ones is mourning a loss. Respecting dead loved ones is respecting the memory of them. Mourning a loss and cherishing a memory are natural and healthy practices. Getting aroused by a dead person and wanting to hump the rotting flesh are not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by athenian200 View Post
    ScienceDaily: Search For Sympathy Uncovers Patterns Of Brain Activity

    ... (good research. go read the post)

    So the only brain region shared between the two processes is the amygdala.
    Quote Originally Posted by Uberfuhrer View Post
    Well, at least I'm on the right track -- so as far as I'm concerned, that means I'm right, as always.
    Quote Originally Posted by athenian200 View Post
    So, you just believe that you are always right, no matter what anyone says? That's a very... confident stance to take.
    What UF means is that it involves the brain, therefore he is right.

    UF, this is indeed one of your weaker arguments. I may restrict your access to Uranus for a while.
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    Quote Originally Posted by booyalab View Post
    Getting aroused by a dead person and wanting to hump the rotting flesh are not.
    Not healthy emotionally or physically? There are a whole lot of bacteria that grow on carcasses, not to mention insect infestations....
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