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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    Their insulting, baiting tone?
    The characterization is accurate only if trolling is defined as making any such posts, rather than making primarily such posts. And if we adopt this definition, then I regret to inform you that trolls make up a huge chunk of the poster population, including mods.
    Plus, many of these insults seem to lie in the reception, not the post itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IF3157 View Post
    The characterization is accurate only if troll is defined as making any such posts, rather than making primarily such posts. And if we adopt this definition, then I regret to inform you that trolls make up a huge chunk of the poster population, including mods.
    Plus, many of these insults seem to lie in the reception, not the post itself.
    I guess the definition is based on where the lines are drawn.

    And while your last part might be technically true, it's rather disingenuous in practice to blame recipients for "taking things poorly." If the same guy is making everyone cry or getting on many people's nerves, then there seems to be a common denominator, correct?

    And whether you like it or not, community standards do get drawn up by the community. A particular community might have boundaries that differ from another's; you might not like them; but those are the breaks.

    Cafe's opinion here certainly isn't something I haven't heard before or even felt myself sometimes. Obviously it's complicated to know when to slap something down and when to let people resolve their own issues: I'd like to just scream, "BE NICE/RESPECTFUL TO EACH OTHER" and let it go at that, but people have to pick up the ball.

    ...but we're getting off-track, you're supposed to be analyze Jack's people analyzing skillz.
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    I'm starting to wonder how effective this poll will be at demonstrating anything. The intent has changed from "Does Jack know YOUR type" to "Does Jack type PEOPLE well." This means that people who may possibly be less skilled, but confident in their typings, will consider me worse, when in fact I am not. *ponders*

    In any case, continue. lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    I'm starting to wonder how effective this poll will be at demonstrating anything. The intent has changed from "Does Jack know YOUR type" to "Does Jack type PEOPLE well." This means that people who may possibly be less skilled, but confident in their typings, will consider me worse, when in fact I am not. *ponders*
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    I don't think he's poor at typing, but there are threads where he just puts on his blinders and plows through everyone else who are making cogent arguments by his sheer number of posts. His steamrolling style inhibits his ability to step back sometimes and get an accurate view of others, or how others view him, IMO. [He is up to 51.60 posts per day. Most members who are regularly active are in the 2-4 post per day range.]

    My main problem with him is I just wish he'd play nicely with others, as he and I have discussed ad nauseum before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Usehername View Post
    I don't think he's poor at typing, but there are threads where he just puts on his blinders and plows through everyone else who are making cogent arguments by sheer his number of posts. His steamrolling style inhibits his ability to step back sometimes and get an accurate view of others, or how others view him, IMO.

    My main problem with him is I just wish he'd play nicely with others, as he and I have discussed ad nauseum before.
    Yes, yes. The difference being our definitions of "cogent."

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    Oh, and one more thing. People think I'm insulting them when I type them as a "very different" type from myself, but if they don't like me, why should they be offended that I think they aren't like me? Contemplate this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    And while your last part might be technically true, it's rather disingenuous in practice to blame recipients for "taking things poorly." If the same guy is making everyone cry or getting on many people's nerves, then there seems to be a common denominator, correct?
    I'm not blaming anybody, actually. Just stating the fact that many have a tendency to see something as an insult that others don't and that may not have been intended as such. I don't see the disingenuousness of that. Clearly, what I find funny or true, cafe et all may find gets on their nerves. The same guy is also entertaining a chunk of the less-readily-insulted set.



    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    And whether you like it or not, community standards do get drawn up by the community. A particular community might have boundaries that differ from another's; you might not like them; but those are the breaks.
    Yes, there's a large community of more sensitive people here. But also, there's a lot of feeling-based bias on who gets chewed out for being more offensive and provocative. I have seen posts that were extremely inflammatory from NFs yet I don't see the feeling-based rush to call them trolls nearly as much. Perhaps it's because the Ts the posts are meant to offend are not as huge crybabies about it. I don't see the intended offendee Ts calling anybody a troll, but as you suggested, it depends on the "community".

    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Cafe's opinion here certainly isn't something I haven't heard before or even felt myself sometimes. Obviously it's complicated to know when to slap something down and when to let people resolve their own issues: I'd like to just scream, "BE NICE/RESPECTFUL TO EACH OTHER" and let it go at that, but people have to pick up the ball.

    ...but we're getting off-track, you're supposed to be analyze Jack's people analyzing skillz.
    I don't know why my question was siphoned off into this thread: I asked it in the "mistyped people" thread.

    As for the question: I still would have done: "No he sucks at it" or "Yeah he's pretty good" but I already voted my choice.
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    I'd give a more thorough reply but I don't care to be Jack's cumrag.
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    Flak is one of the members on this forum that I consider quick with a sharp perspective. Whether they are one hundreded percent acurate or not there is usually some truth in some aspect of his rationality.

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