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    Quote Originally Posted by EJCC View Post
    A handful of my favorites:

    - Yes
    - Emerson, Lake and Palmer
    - Genesis
    - Gentle Giant
    - Focus
    - Strawbs
    - Jethro Tull
    Thanks, I'll check those out. I know I like Yes and Jethro Tull already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vulcan View Post
    Thanks, I'll check those out. I know I like Yes and Jethro Tull already.
    Excellent.

    I forgot -- Caravan is another favorite. And while "Hocus Pocus" is my favorite (absolutely gut-bustingly hilarious) song by Focus, most of their music is good, serious prog.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EJCC View Post
    I have an irrational hatred of Pink Floyd. Not because I hate their music, but because their music, in my experience, is a watered-down version of music that I love. And yet people who love Pink Floyd don't seem to realize that. Or maybe they don't care.
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    Progressive rock.
    And you just hit my Berserk Button.

    While I can't comment on other fans, I know David Gilmour says he's really never liked progressive rock and generally identifies more with blues and art rock. Roger would say that getting hung up on genres is distracting you from what a genius he obviously is.

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    Excellent.

    I forgot -- Caravan is another favorite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    Science is a religion every bit as much as Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.
    If religions worked like science people would change religions after reading more than a few facts disagreeing with observable facts around them or complete lack of internal coherence. (ie: self contradictory statements that do not seem reconcialiable)

    Which is essentially most of religious books. yes some people are dogmatic about anything. science observes facts and tries to build coherent explanations for them. Religion assumes the answer first and is non responsive to contrary evidence or lack of evidence. They are opposites.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EcK View Post
    If religions worked like science people would change religions after reading more than a few facts disagreeing with observable facts around them or complete lack of internal coherence. (ie: self contradictory statements that do not seem reconcialiable)

    Which is essentially most of religious books. yes some people are dogmatic about anything. science observes facts and tries to build coherent explanations for them. Religion assumes the answer first and is non responsive to contrary evidence or lack of evidence. They are opposites.
    I mean that science is used and believed in by the modern lay folk the same way religion is. Surely the clergy themselves and scientists themselves do different things although they have the same goals (pursuit of truth). But the people on the ground frequently use science as a political club every bit as much as folks used to use religion. For many people science is their religion. Believed in just as blindly, even when the studies are perilously skewed as in much of social science which can hardly be called a science at all, just ask Jonathan Haidt.

    More to the point religion isn't intended to deal with the verifiable or scientifically quantifiable. It deals with those things that fundamentally aren't. Just like science has no bearing and nothing to say on the spiritual.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    I mean that science is used and believed in by the modern lay folk the same way religion is. Surely the clergy themselves and scientists themselves do different things although they have the same goals (pursuit of truth). But the people on the ground frequently use science as a political club every bit as much as folks used to use religion. For many people science is their religion. Believed just as blindly, even when the studies are perilously skewed as in much of social science which can hardly be called a science at all, just ask Jonathan Haidt.

    More to the point religion isn't intended to deal with the verifiable or scientifically quantifiable. It deals with those things that fundamentally aren't. Just like science has no bearing and nothing to say on the spiritual.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    I mean that science is used and believed in by the modern lay folk the same way religion is. Surely the clergy themselves and scientists themselves do different things although they have the same goals (pursuit of truth). But the people on the ground frequently use science as a political club every bit as much as folks used to use religion. For many people science is their religion. Believed in just as blindly, even when the studies are perilously skewed as in much of social science which can hardly be called a science at all, just ask Jonathan Haidt.

    More to the point religion isn't intended to deal with the verifiable or scientifically quantifiable. It deals with those things that fundamentally aren't. Just like science has no bearing and nothing to say on the spiritual.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wind Up Rex View Post
    What are your thoughts on Pope Frank?
    Don't really have any haha. I'm an Episcopalian and as such don't end up paying too much attention to papal goings on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    Don't really have any haha. I'm an Episcopalian and as such don't end up paying too much attention to papal goings on.
    That's cool come hang with me and Jen instead.

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