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    Quote Originally Posted by lil_Red View Post
    I'm sorry if anyone is a fan, but I'm not all that fond of Steven Universe. I've seen an episode or two and i didn't think the cartoon itself was bad, my tolerance for the fandom is just hitting rock bottom (no pun intended).

    I feel like there's a boat load of SJWs and special snowflakes that SU sucks in like a magnet. Not to say all fans are, but from my experience the vast majority are difficult to put up with to say the least. I don't know, it seems to have gotten a little out of hand and people take the characters VERY seriously, like, more seriously than they should? It's a cartoon, intended for kids. If you wanna watch it I don't care, I love watching re-runs of childhood TV shows and movies, but if you're gonna flip your shit over someone telling you that Garnet is a gem so she isn't a human and technically can't be black, I start to get a bit annoyed.

    I understand wanting to not be offensive and whatnot but still, some people carry out being politically correct to the point where it's not correct anymore.

    Again, it's not only SU that has people like this, I'm sure every single fandom to ever exist does, but this is where I notice it's super prevalent.
    I absolutely LOVE Steven Universe. It's by far my favorite show currently. No doubt.

    I absolutely LOATH the fanbase! Oh my god it's infuriating and you absolutely nailed it. There's actually quite a lot of things that I like that pulls in insufferable SJW types (they're not all bad, it's a certain kind) and it starts to ruin it for me. I can't read or look at things external to the show because of it. I love what the show is doing, I COMPLETELY support their messages and how they go about it. It's done so artfully, and exactly how social progress should be done. The fan base though? It needs to FUCK OFF AND DIE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hard View Post
    I absolutely LOVE Steven Universe. It's by far my favorite show currently. No doubt.

    I absolutely LOATH the fanbase! Oh my god it's infuriating and you absolutely nailed it. There's actually quite a lot of things that I like that pulls in insufferable SJW types (they're not all bad, it's a certain kind) and it starts to ruin it for me. I can't read or look at things external to the show because of it. I love what the show is doing, I COMPLETELY support their messages and how they go about it. It's done so artfully, and exactly how social progress should be done. The fan base though? It needs to FUCK OFF AND DIE.
    Fanbases are generally a pain in the ass. Fan communities are usually dominated by groupthink. I understand the motivation behind it, but that doesn't mean it doesn't irritate me.

    I've accepted that there's going to be groupthink everywhere I go, so I suppose I just have to figure put how to navigate that. Most people love their group-think, and wouldn't give it up for anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vulcan View Post
    Fanbases are generally a pain in the ass. Fan communities are usually dominated by groupthink. I understand the motivation behind it, but that doesn't mean it doesn't irritate me.

    I've accepted that there's going to be groupthink everywhere I go, so I suppose I just have to figure put how to navigate that. Most people love their group-think, and wouldn't give it up for anything.
    I know how to navigate it fine. I encounter it too often not to. Several of my most beloved bands have the most infurtiating and rageworthy fanbases I have ever encountered.

    Doesn't mean it still doesn't royally tick me off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vulcan View Post
    Fanbases are generally a pain in the ass. Fan communities are usually dominated by groupthink. I understand the motivation behind it, but that doesn't mean it doesn't irritate me.
    Most fanbases are awful. The only exception I've seen so far are Sherlock Holmes fans. Not fans of BBC's Sherlock; the majority of them are crazy Cumberbatch fangirls. I'm talking about fans of the original stories by Arthur Conan Doyle. I don't know why, but every single one I've met has been intelligent, kind, and oddly old-fashioned in their manners. There's a lovely camaraderie in that fanbase that I've never seen anywhere else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BadOctopus View Post
    I also hate Gone with the Wind. But that's mostly because Scarlett O'Hara is a spoiled, childish, manipulative harpy.
    Not only could I not stand Scarlet, Ashley made me want to slap someone. Seeing it one time was plenty.
    I like to rock n' roll all night and *part* of every day. I usually have errands... I can only rock from like 1-3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kensei View Post
    I don't believe that parents have any right to control their kids fpr any other reason besides to teach them something. That seems to be an opinion nobody agrees with :p
    We as a human race are becoming a huge population and the demands have grown to such a point that we will inevitably see more unique types appearing. People will get tired at some point and try to "industrialise people". Because it would be more efficient for them, personally.

    INTPs and Asperger's Syndrome

    (The following is an excerpt from The Secret Lives of INTPs. I release this chapter into the public domain.)
    In INTP and INTJ internet communities, the question of a link between Asperger’s and type comes up over and over again. Several responses typically appear, namely:
    • “Suppose that Asperger’s is simply INT taken to an extreme?”
    • “I’m an INT and I have this problem.”
    • “You’re misdiagnosed.”
    • “I’m an INT and I have a sibling/acquaintance/friend who has this problem and there is definitely something wrong there.”
    • “I know someone with Asperger's and I don't think they're an INT.”

    The reason that these questions keep coming up over and over is that many of the descriptions of Asperger's Syndrome symptoms read like a checklist for how to identify an INTP.
    • Lack of social skills? - Oh yeah.
    • Lack of empathy? - Depends on how hard the T in INTP is.
    • Flat, formal, advanced speech? - Yes
    • Obsessed with learning about certain interest areas - Absolutely
    • Talk a lot about their favorite subject - If you can find someone who will listen...
    • Above average sensitivity to tastes, noises, lights, etc – Has been found to describe all introverts: a drop of lemon juice placed on the tongue will cause an introvert to salivate more than an extravert. (1)
    • Measurable associations with math and science - No question about it

    Yet there are also some symptoms which do seem to be exceptions to the INTP description, particularly a strong emphasis on details, which would seem to indicate Sensing, and a strong liking for an unvarying daily routine, which would seem to indicate Judging.

    Duke (2005) used the Murphy-Meisgeier Type Indicator for Children-Revised (a version of the MBTI meant for kids) to obtain the types of children diagnosed with an autism spectrum disorder. The children were of “normal intelligence.” It was Duke's hypothesis that ISTJs might be the type that best matched the ASD symptom profile. But while Duke found that the children were more likely than average to be Introverted and Judging, no specific link to type ISTJ was found.

    ASD and the Big Five

    Since the Big Five is correlated to the MBTI, we can cautiously use Five Factor studies to probe at the relationship between type and ASD. (I have taken the liberty of translating the Big Five descriptors into familiar MBTI descriptors, though such translation is by no means exact.)

    One study found that autistic traits were associated with IT and Neuroticism. (2) Another study found that a group of 64 adults diagnosed with Asperger's had higher ITP scores and Neuroticism compared to a control group. (3)

    A third study had 320 university students take both the NEO-PI-R and the Autism Spectrum Quotient (AQ) test. (4) (You can read or take the latter test here.) It was found that ASD traits were correlated with IP and Neuroticism. Interestingly, the AQ test separates ASD traits out into five categories. Each category turned out to be correlated (strongly or weakly) to certain aspects of the Big Five.

    • Social skill (lack thereof): ITP
    • Attention switching (staying absorbed in one thing at length; wanting a plan and routine): ISFP + Neuroticism
    • Attention to details (noticing numbers, dates, small changes, details, patterns): ENJ
    • Communication (lack of conversation skills) : ISP + Neuroticism
    • Imagination (lack thereof): ISTP

    Of course, the AQ test has questions asking the respondent whether they would prefer to go to the library or a party, or if they enjoy social chitchat, or if they notice patterns in things. Many of the questions can be seen to have obvious connections to type preferences independent of the existence of any issues. And this opens up another question.

    Type and/or Disorder?

    Chester (INTJ) (2006) published a descriptive study in which he attempted to ascertain what sort of overlap there might be between ITPs and Asperger’s. He examined 19 Asperger's symptoms to see if there was any resemblance to known type characteristics. Significantly, he not only compared the characteristics of well-developed types, but also of poorly developed types.

    The symptoms he assessed were as follows:

    For well-developed types:

    A preference for being alone; leading a solitary lifestyle; “spacing out (involuntarily);” “shutting out, blocking (deliberately);” having a hyperaroused nervous system; being unaware of the outside world; communicating in an associative manner; thinking in an associative manner; proceeding from specifics to generalities; thinking in pictures; lack of social skills; a limited choice of careers; “relentless reading;” perseveration; and immaturity.

    For poorly developed types:

    Anger and regret; low self esteem; rigidity; relying too much on logic; confusion of Feeling judgment and emotion; and talking too much.

    For most (but not all) of the symptoms listed for well-developed types, Chester found intriguing similarities between common ITP type-based behaviors and “abnormal” characteristics that have been explained as symptoms of Asperger's. In fact, the examples he compared for type and Asperger's were in many cases almost identical. He also found evidence that poor ITP type development could be indicated in some cases.

    Chester concluded that “Asperger's Syndrome...seems indistinguishable from certain of the Jungian/Myers-Briggs personality types” and added that “it is sometimes difficult to tell whether a person's behavior represents a type characteristic or a symptom of the disorder.” Significantly, he concluded, “In no case did I find that the type preferences of people diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome were understood or encouraged.”

    Chester suggests that Asperger's may in some ways be a Pygmalion project. He examined the reactions and thought processes of four mothers of sons with Asperger's as described in works of literature. Their behaviors seemed to indicate that the mothers had ENFJ or ESFJ preferences. Two of the mothers appeared to be carrying on Pygmalion projects, and there were hints indicating that the other two might also be doing so.

    This of course raises an intriguing point. The goal of treatment for children with Asperger's is to change the child's behaviors to match social norms. But what do type practitioners have to say about raising children of any type? Unanimously authors and researchers agree that parents should support and nourish the development of a child's type-based traits rather than attempt to mold them into other types, even the more normal SP/SJ types. If a child is not supported in their type development, say practitioners, it leads to stunted personal growth, low self esteem, and long-lasting neuroses. The treatment for Asperger's and the child-rearing strategy recommended by type practitioners would seem to be at odds with each other.

    Conclusion

    There appears to be evidence supporting a relationship between type INTP and Asperger's. Whether this relation is a matter of definition, degree, or actual concurrence remains to be seen. The question of misdiagnosis should be taken very seriously, since some of the treatments for autism have been determined to be "torture" by civil rights groups, and the victims of "therapy" show symptoms of fullblown PTSD. Though many of the grossest abuses have been ended (not including electroshock, which continues), many less obvious cruelties continue. As one person who was questionably diagnosed with Asperger's and sent to a "special school" for the handicapped recalled recently, "To this day, I have nightmares that I am back in that school." He states, "I never felt like I had symptoms severe enough to warrant a diagnosis of Asperger's."
    source: INTPs and Asperger's Syndrome | Oddly Developed Types
    This is why I support that some parents think they are doing the best for their child when they are actually doing the worst thing for them, mentally. ExFJs could be pointed out, but that would be unfair, for example, the ISFP requires the ESFJ in their lives.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy View Post
    ^That sounds like a parenting group I was in for a while when my first kid was very small, called Taking Children Seriously.

    There are some really valuable gems in the idea but sometimes a kid just needs to take some medicine or not put their finger in a light socket.
    Perhaps there is just a another way to get the child to take the medicine or teach them not to place their finger in the socket. Each child is unique and IMHO believe that each child has a unique key to unlock them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luke O View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by BadOctopus View Post
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    I think that only people with the exact same controversial beliefs should be allowed to post here. Try to disagree with me, I dare you.
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