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    Quote Originally Posted by Wind Up Rex View Post
    Very, very much this.



    What he's talking about (or my understanding at least) is that as someone goes through life, they encounter certain existential questions "Who am I?" "Why am I here?" "What makes a good person vs a bad person?"

    Answering those questions is inherently challenging because it's really the whole purpose of life. The value of religion is providing a distillation of the answers that thousands of years of humanity have arrived at. Rather than having to start from scratch and essentially reinvent the wheel, faith gives you a way to approach those questions or at least a jumping off point on how to do so.

    I can't speak for other traditions, but at least in the Church. You're supposed to evolve the understanding of your faith over the years. Yeah, you'll teach a 5 year old very black/white, you do this you'll go to Hell, you do that you go to Heaven type things. But that's not the same discussion that someone should be having at 25 or even 55. I think a lot of what gets misunderstood about faith is what Patton Oswald very famously described as "sky cake":



    Most people hear the "sky cake" version of theology and some people stop there because it's all they really need. But any well reasoned person is going to know that sky cake is bullshit and you'd have to be a dumbass to think that a cake that exists in a sky is actually a thing. Usually what you find out with study is that sky cake is a version of a version of a version of a 1000 page opus written by some guy in Spain 500 years ago that's been watered down to a catchphrase.

    To me, sky cake people are troublesome because they basically just sit their own prejudices on top of the cake and are loudly parading around calling themselves religious when really they're just assholes.

    Do you have a better understanding of what @Lark was getting at now? And Lark--feel free to correct me if I misunderstood your point.
    Orwell said that socialism, as with the christian religion, was worst represented by its supporters, he was probably correct, on both counts.

    I'm inclined to think that most of the attacks on religion by the irreligious are superficial and stupid, the sky cake or sky fairy stuff or reductively reasoning that its all about imaginary friends, are all examples of that.

    What I think is more troublesome are some of the anxieties and agonising about parental responsibility when it comes to stuff like this because it strikes me as similar to the agonising about any sort of responsibility which all smacks of the fear of freedom that Erich Fromm wrote about, and you're back in the thirties and forties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    I find it really easy to judge the difference between good and bad religion, just as I can good and bad people or good and bad anything and I think its not just everyone's place to do so but that they actually do, all the time, its practically impossible to put a day in without doing so. Now you can kid on that you dont because you're living in an age or place which doesnt think this is a good way to behave and is all embarrassed about it but I think its unavoidable.

    Also, I dont think that there is anything wrong with socialisation, religion or anything else, and I've got a strong belief that there are innate understandings and drives, no one is tabala rasa, and religion is one such, good or bad, enduring response to that and means of channeling it.

    There's lots of private "religions", ie belief systems with rituals, habits, sanctions, norms, mores etc. whether people choose to acknowledge that or not as the same, if its a word they have a phobia about or issue, then alright, dont use that word, its not a matter of semantics and that just complicates life because its the exact same thing. When you choose to raise a child secularist and atheist or agnostic, that's what you're doing, you're not raising someone free until some times and they can take the responsibility for a decision you're wary about yourself, you're raising them irreligious and you're as much violating their choices in the first place by doing so.
    It looks like you're misunderstanding my post; take a look at my responses to WUR in this thread a page back. I'd restate it or link you but I'm not home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EJCC View Post
    Took me three months of supervising my INFJ supervisee to learn that she's older than me. O_O

    I've been operating with the wrong internal hierarchy this whole time.

    This is so confusing. I don't know how to feel.
    feel nothing about it. its not important. or at least not enough to worry about how to feel.
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    I played zoo tycoon yesterday and played it in my really effed up way where I throw two of every animal into a pit with a very limited amount of water in the form of a central pond and watch them fight each other to to death. At first, when the idea came to me- I couldnt stand to watch it- just see the results at the end- now I WATCH.

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    Im an evil virtual animal god.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eskimo2 View Post
    I played zoo tycoon yesterday and played it in my really effed up way where I throw two of every animal into a pit with a very limited amount of water in the form of a central pond and watch them fight each other to to death. At first, when the idea came to me- I couldnt stand to watch it- just see the results at the end- now I WATCH.

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    Im an evil virtual animal god.
    ARE YOU LITERALLY KIDDING ME RIGHT NOW? I REINSTALLED ZOO TYCOON 2 DAYS AGO AND HAVE BEEN PLAYING IT TOO!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yamato Nadeshiko View Post
    ARE YOU LITERALLY KIDDING ME RIGHT NOW? I REINSTALLED ZOO TYCOON 2 DAYS AGO AND HAVE BEEN PLAYING IT TOO!
    Haha I reinstalled it I think... saturday? I was bored and figured meh ok. Replaying all the challenges or whatever.

    Its the best! I wish there was a zoo tycoon 3 though and more challenges and maybe the ability to breed new animals or something and yeah!
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    I think sexual attraction is fake and everyone is just pretending.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yamato Nadeshiko View Post
    I think sexual attraction is fake and everyone is just pretending.
    Do you like men or women. Was gonna play with you, but i wasnt sure if i should tuck it or let it hang out
    Take what I say with a grain of salt, because that's all it is compared to the ocean of complexity when it comes to actions and real life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poki View Post
    Do you like men or women. Was gonna play with you, but i wasnt sure if i should tuck it or let it hang out
    I have had crushes on both
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