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    Neo-Nazis, then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ginkgo View Post
    Neo-Nazis, then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasofy View Post
    Yep, you got it right. It's like 80% of the Atheists annoy me with their left-wing crap, and 80% of the right-wings annoy me with their conservative/religious crap (it's mutual).
    I know from experience that not all Republicans are religious. The Libertarian Party generally doesn't have as much emphasis on religion. I can't think of any prominent American right-wing atheists off the top of my head.

    I have no idea what the main political parties are in Brazil.

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    This reminds me of when P. J. O'Rourke (ENTP) went to Paraguay in 1989 to cover the aftermath of the coup. He said that when he asked fellow Americans where Paraguay was, virtually none of them knew, and some got it confused with Uraguay and Papua New Guinea. He concluded that the reason Paraguay was popular with Nazi war criminals was because they knew that anybody trying to hunt them down would be looking in Uraguay or Papua New Guinea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SD45T-2 View Post
    I know from experience that not all Republicans are religious. The Libertarian Party generally doesn't have as much emphasis on religion. I can't think of any prominent American right-wing atheists off the top of my head.

    I have no idea what the main political parties are in Brazil.
    There are 2, both centrists. One with a right-wing edge, and the other with a left-wing edge. Sadly, schools regurgitate a lot of marxist shit on the students, so right-wing parties here tend to have a low popularity.

    This reminds me of when P. J. O'Rourke (ENTP) went to Paraguay in 1989 to cover the aftermath of the coup. He said that when he asked fellow Americans where Paraguay was, virtually none of them knew, and some got it confused with Uraguay and Papua New Guinea. He concluded that the reason Paraguay was popular with Nazi war criminals was because they knew that anybody trying to hunt them down would be looking in Uraguay or Papua New Guinea.
    Hahaha, good theory. Brazil is a decent place to flee to also, because our system has a cap of 30 years of imprisonment, and other countries are required to limit their sentences to that in order to have someone extradited - if that ever happens... Cesare Battisti case was a fiasco, for example.

    Leftists seem to always get away with shit (Obama isn't different in that aspect). As long as they make poorer people's life a bit better on the short term (via debt), they pretty much secure their positions on the elections.

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    I'm a right-wing agnostic, but I actually respect the utilitarian role of religion and frankly envy the religionists for their faith in life after death and free will. On the other hand, making fun of the absurdities in any religion is always fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SD45T-2 View Post
    Charles Krauthammer. Sort of.
    Charlie is definitely one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    Charlie is definitely one.
    He's Jewish and observes some Jewish customs, but isn't really religious. I've heard some recent interviews (Hugh Hewitt, Dennis Prager, Michael Medved, etc.) where he has said he thinks God might exist. At any rate, religion is not what drives his worldview.
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    Communism... isn't based on socialism. And nazism is definitely not based on socialism. Nazism is a race-centered political ideology, that is neither socialist nor capitalist. Whoever wrote that piece has no clue what they're talking about. Nazis did not control the means of production, they confiscated production capacity in the service of race struggle. The nazi state conquered and confiscated large properties of conquered territories and political opponents, and domestic productive facilities, aswell as established their own institutions. Which they justified by saying that it's a means for expansionistic warfare. And they enlisted industries all over, and traded extensively with 3rd parties and neutral states.

    If anything, companies and commercial enterprises who were tied to the nazis, flourished. Early fascists proposed a 3rd political system, based on 3rd positionism, neither aligned with communist soviet union or liberal democratic western states. But based on the ideal that race and ethnicity are the center of all politics and policies, and that the political process is a struggle of races. Where different ethnicties and meta-ethnicties(races) compete globally over dominion. They also suggested class-cooperation, rather than class war or class competition(Marxist and liberal democratic narratives).

    The only similarities between nazism and socialism, is that both narrate capitalism gets in the way of their goals. The similarities begin and end there. There is also the analogy that Communist Russia and Nazi germany, were both totalitarian states.

    Socialism is a different ball game, in that it's simply a proposition, that the state should use current systems to serve the majority demograph. Some socialist thinkers however proposed other economic models.
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    If you mean "right-wing" in the sense of the average HuffPost reader (basically, anyone who doesn't march lockstep with every popular liberal ideal) and include agnostic atheism under atheism, I guess I could qualify. I generally favour individual liberty and private solutions over government coercion, though I doubt that necessarily makes one "right-wing".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasofy View Post
    There are 2, both centrists. One with a right-wing edge, and the other with a left-wing edge. Sadly, schools regurgitate a lot of marxist shit on the students, so right-wing parties here tend to have a low popularity.


    Hahaha, good theory. Brazil is a decent place to flee to also, because our system has a cap of 30 years of imprisonment, and other countries are required to limit their sentences to that in order to have someone extradited - if that ever happens... Cesare Battisti case was a fiasco, for example.

    Leftists seem to always get away with shit (Obama isn't different in that aspect). As long as they make poorer people's life a bit better on the short term (via debt), they pretty much secure their positions on the elections.
    Or at least give the illusion that they're making the lives of the poor better. It also tends to go hand-in-hand with crony capitalism with programs like EBT (Frito Lay, anyone?) or subsidised housing, which is a huge boon to construction contractors. Of course, we can't do something more reasonable, such as handing out housing vouchers so people can live in housing that was already built as opposed to hoping that you can fill the ones built by contractors in areas that no one wants to live in with no real local economy, thus perpetuating the poverty of the people living there.

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