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    Ah yes, rail-loading those babies was a tremendous joy when I was in Germany. They overlapped the rail cars by a foot on each side. I was always the train commander because I spoke German ... a duty I did not relish. The bridges were problematic too, as only the largest could hold the tanks for a crossing. We often had to drive scores of kilometers along a river or ravine just to find a crossing point. The tanks were abysmal at fording, so a bridge was a necessity. I often wondered how much this shortcomming would have hindered us in a war. The Germans and (then) Soviets were much better at river crossing operations with tanks.

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    How does one drive a tank onto a rail carriage? Very very slowly I guess.

    I was reading on wikipedia that a couple got bogged in Iraq.

    Oh well, Australia has alot of desert to drive them around in and scare the kangaroos.

    They had a bit of trouble with the rivers in Iraq, well according to the book I read, "The long march up". Cross the river with the amphibious stuff and be without tanks until they could find a bridge or keep driving along the river.
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    Quote Originally Posted by darlets View Post
    How does one drive a tank onto a rail carriage? Very very slowly I guess.
    Very carefully ... inch by inch. The German railmasters would pull the cars up to the ramp and we would guide the drivers on inch by inch ... driving along a chain of cars. I took hours just to load a company of 14 tanks. A ground guide would walk in front of the tanks (backwards) and make hand signals to the driver as how to steer. The we would hammer chock blocks in front of and behind the tank tracks ... plus tie down cables on the tank itself in the front and back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nighthawk View Post
    Very carefully ... inch by inch. The German railmasters would pull the cars up to the ramp and we would guide the drivers on inch by inch ... driving along a chain of cars.
    This would be some of the "associated headaches" you didn't like so much.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nighthawk View Post
    I took hours just to load a company of 14 tanks. A ground guide would walk in front of the tanks (backwards) and make hand signals to the driver as how to steer. The we would hammer chock blocks in front of and behind the tank tracks ... plus tie down cables on the tank itself in the front and back.
    Hmmmm, the driving along at full speed sounds like fun, this on the other hand sounds like a pain in the arse.

    I think the Aussie Government got sick of the idea and bought some more toys to help carry them about.
    "In March 2006, the Australian government announced that the Australian Defence Forces will acquire up to 4 new Boeing C-17 Globemaster III strategic airlift planes and associated equipment for A$ 2 billion ($1.49 billion then conversion). The first aircraft will be delivered to Australia later in 2006, with the balance of the fleet to be delivered by mid 2008."
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    Quote Originally Posted by darlets View Post
    This would be some of the "associated headaches" you didn't like so much.
    The biggest headache was meetings, meetings, meetings, and yet more meetings. We had three meetings a day in the middle of the war. They don't show that in Band of Brothers. Listening to a bunch of self-important colonels and majors yammer endlessly about minutiae got old very fast. I'm not a meeting person. Just give me an operations order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nighthawk View Post
    The biggest headache was meetings, meetings, meetings, and yet more meetings. We had three meetings a day in the middle of the war. They don't show that in Band of Brothers. Listening to a bunch of self-important colonels and majors yammer endlessly about minutiae got old very fast. I'm not a meeting person. Just give me an operations order.
    Do any INTPs enjoy meetings? Have you read Peopleware? He has some interesting crap to say about meetings, generally they're about power and very rarely about anything productive.
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