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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmotini View Post
    Jillian Michaels is not every.mans (or womans) dream girl. To.make this about sex is a logical fallacy, and Patrick Bateman was a miserable narcissist. Some "fit"" people are actually naturally thin or even lean towards underweight due to ectomorphic body type, through no congratulations of their own...in some societies, chubbiness is prized, thin people sexually or socially ridiculed. It's a lot of social conditioning.

    To use her as an example, because she is long dead and won't be hurt, Karen Carpenter was a pretty, average size pear shaped woman. She had hips, but was not obese. One review calling her the chubby sister drove her to death. She looked like an AIDS victim when she died. Do you not see the connection between this and unnecessary fat shaming?

    Fat or thin has little to do with sex, unless you are severely obese or lack confidence. This is about total human worth. And body dysmorphia is not about lack of discipline.
    Even some men have it. I know someone very intimately who basically used to push me to do this and that, and I found out he did even worse to himself. He was an exercise addict who wanted to work out even when his back went out.
    No thanks to people saying things like you just said.
    my point was simple: being thin is something that is the result of diet and exercise. it is not a privilege because it is under your control rather than something given to you. I wasn't talking about the title more than the article (which seemed more like a collection of forum posts rather than an article. it didn't exactly get to the point), rather the title.

    all these "privilege this", "privilege that" concepts popping up all over the place seem to stem from a victim-playing mindset and a sense that one is entitled to acceptance.

    everyone has a right not to be harassed, verbally abused or threatened (these were points in the article which were worth bringing up) as well as basic legal rights, but acceptance is not a right. it's one thing if it gets in the way of job prospects, safety or legal rights, but if people are just whining over "boo-hoo so and so judged me", I don't care.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    my point was simple: being thin is something that is the result of diet and exercise. it is not a privilege because it is under your control rather than something given to you. I wasn't talking about the title more than the article (which seemed more like a collection of forum posts rather than an article. it didn't exactly get to the point), rather the title.

    all these "privilege this", "privilege that" concepts popping up all over the place seem to stem from a victim-playing mindset and a sense that one is entitled to acceptance.

    everyone has a right not to be harassed, verbally abused or threatened (these were points in the article which were worth bringing up) as well as basic legal rights, but acceptance is not a right. it's one thing if it gets in the way of job prospects, safety or legal rights, but if people are just whining over "boo-hoo so and so judged me", I don't care.
    If you would like to stop oversimplifying the issue , we can talk. How many times do I have to mention body dysmorphia or eating disorders or exercise addiction before one of you listens?

    THE WOMAN ON THIS WEBSITE HAS BODY DYSMORPHIA.

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    I see why people are annoyed with this. My first thought is, stop whining kiddo, and stop using loaded terms. (Privilege??)

    But, as others have pointed out, she's dysmorphic, and that's actually a psychological problem which causes a lot of suffering (speaking as one who sometimes goes to the borderline).

    I also once tried to explain my gender perceptions of myself to another person and wound up creating my own categories since I don't fit into "transgender", "agender", or "cross-dresser"...so although the self-categorization here seems pretentious at first glance, I guess I can accept it.

    My bigger complaint would, again, be the use of the word "privilege". I personally am thin, and this has generally come from being at a financial and medical disadvantage. I'm not working against this person by being that way. When people draw lines and start assigning names in such a manner, I start losing sympathy for their struggle.

    And, I understand how people can bitch and moan about not being born with a sexy body according to contemporary standards (believe me, I do), but some of the language used honestly doesn't enhance my sympathies for what I see as a very first world problem.

    I don't think it's a joke, though.

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    OK, this person is obviously not the sharpest. "My husband runs daily and gets sick twice as often as I do, therefore exercise is not as good for you as everyone says it is."

    But, what exactly is she saying? It's not that she sees herself as fat, right? It's that "inside" she's larger, and her body "outside" won't change to meet that? Is that real?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmotini View Post
    If you would like to stop oversimplifying the issue , we can talk. How many times do I have to mention body dysmorphia or eating disorders or exercise addiction before one of you listens?
    THE WOMAN ON THIS WEBSITE HAS BODY DYSMORPHIA.
    as I said, I wasn't responding to the article, but the title "thin privilege".
    as such, I was addressing the majority of people who complain about this kind of thing, not the author specifically.
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    Thank you OP, for this hatereading goldmine.

    Vegans/vegitarians don’t eat meat and are typically thin. Bodybuilders eat excessive amounts of meat or dairy, which in the farming industry, is grown with hormones and steroids, which passes along to the meat. Hence their size.
    It’s like nobody on this site paid attention in Biology.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    as I said, I wasn't responding to the article, but the title "thin privilege".
    as such, I was addressing the majority of people who complain about this kind of thing, not the author specifically.
    Disclaimer: this is meant as a friendly fyi, not as a condescending judgemental stance.

    You'd be surprised how many people who struggle with their weight are actually unable to control their weight due to the shaming, pressures and false beliefs they were taught as a kid. And how much words like yours can unfortunately keep them ashamed, afraid and unable to control their weight, and their health.

    I get that you have certain views about this, but ime, you can help those people greatly in not sharing them with those people, unless your pov - like here- and your help was solicited specifically. Here of course, in this thread, you totally do have the right to discuss and debate why you feel the way you do with others.
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    Wasn't expecting this sort of response--wow.
    Y'all must really hate fat people.

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    Most of this site is just "Q. [Legitimate question / Legitimate point / You're dumb / Terrible attempt at wit]. A: No, you're an idiot. Sorry, but our side is going to win. Fuck yourself."

    The concern is valid, for sure; but I don't think this site's author expresses it very well.


    Doesn't help that I can't stop my mind from drifting when I hear "transfat."

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    Thanks for the link, Duck, it was an interesting exploration to me this morning. It led me to look into the concept of phantom fat too.

    Body-image experts say it’s not uncommon for people, especially women, who have lost a lot of weight to be disappointed to some extent to discover that they still aren’t “perfect.” The excess fat is gone when they reach their goal weight, but they may have sagging skin, cellulite or a body shape that they still deem undesirable. Like Hicks, some even continue to see themselves as though they are overweight. Some specialists use the term “phantom fat” to refer to this phenomenon of feeling fat and unacceptable after weight loss.
    Here's a quick way to appreciate the idea of why it's difficult to see oneself clearly after weight loss:

    Think of getting a dramatically different hairdo and then doing a double-take upon seeing your reflection in a store window, Heinberg says. “Losing 80 pounds is much more of a cognitive shift than getting new highlights,” she explains.
    ~source: http://www.nbcnews.com/id/31489881/#.UmUgOxzou48

    I hadn't heard the term 'thin privilege' or 'transfat' either ... anyways, much to think about.

    eta: A link to the 'thin privilege' tumblr too: http://thisisthinprivilege.tumblr.com
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