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    Default Batman wars:Bane vs the Joker deathmatch

    Who wins? brain and fist included.

    (of course we are assuming bane thought up all the plans by himself rather than Talia, as in the movie)
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    Joker. Because the Joker could actually be real. Whereas Bane is a far-fetched entity.
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    The Joker. Because he can play more clever. Because he is second-to-none at his expertise. Bane seems way more strategic, but also seems to overlook some of the here and now, which is also where The Joker excels.
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    Jack Nicholson's Joker.

    And slightly off-topic, Tommy Lee Jones' Two-Face was better than Aaron Eckhart's, partly because they used him more and partly because it was one of the rare roles in which Tommy Lee Jones laughs...so it was a test in acting abilities foreign to the actor (seriously, can you name any other movie where Tommy Lee Jones acted like such a goofball?) much like Heath Ledger's Joker.



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    Quote Originally Posted by yenom View Post
    Who wins? brain and fist included.

    (of course we are assuming bane thought up all the plans by himself rather than Talia, as in the movie)
    Bane wins by a country mile, he has superior brains and brawn.

    Either the movie or the comic Bane that is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Bane wins by a country mile, he has superior brains and brawn.

    Either the movie or the comic Bane that is.
    The movie Bane is more brawn though. The comic is a mix of the Bane from the movie AND Marion Cotillard's character from the movie (in the movie, the little kid in the prison is her character, but the comic it's all Bane). I guess they split them up to seem more plausible, but the character was meant to be a sort of ultimate villain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    The movie Bane is more brawn though. The comic is a mix of the Bane from the movie AND Marie Cotillard's character from the movie (in the movie, the little kid in the prison is her character, but the comic it's all Bane). I guess they split them up to seem more plausible, but the character was meant to be a sort of ultimate villain.
    I know, the character of Bane and the "broken bat" story line was parallel to Doomsday in the Superman universe and while the Joker and Lex Luthor characters were steady fixtures in the comics they werent "ultimate" baddies or "final" baddies, the total uber villains, they were more something like a batting partner or tennis player.

    There is something like this in most imaginary "universes" like in He-Man there was the deadlock between Skeletor and He-Man and then the "third force" of the Horde entered into it attacking both as a sort of "ultimate" baddies.

    In the Star Wars universe when the battles between the Empire and Rebel Alliance/Republic were drawing to a close there arose a third force in the form of an alien race which was a kind of ultimate war fighting and destruction race.

    In Star Trek periodically when federation and rival faction enmity were on the wane, ie vulcan, romulin, klingon etc. relations are pretty good something else came along, ie the Borg and the Borg even had an adversary which kicked their ass awesome style and was from a dimensional port to another world.

    I read something one time about how these sort of ideas prefigure or reflect real machinations on the political or geopolitical scene, ie USSR vs USA, Oops, enter People Republic of China.

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    And why is Ra's Al Ghul left out of this?

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    It's hard to say that someone like The Joker couldn't beat anybody when he thrives on chaos and bringing out the worst in people, doesn't care about his well-being, and has nothing to lose in doing so, but only to prove. Even if Bane wins, The Joker doesn't really lose, he just doesn't win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little_Sticks View Post
    It's hard to say that someone like The Joker couldn't beat anybody when he thrives on chaos and bringing out the worst in people, doesn't care about his well-being, and has nothing to lose in doing so, but only to prove. Even if Bane wins, The Joker doesn't really lose, he just doesn't win.
    This is accurate. There's something to be said about the fact that if Bane wins and does manage to kill Joker, the battle ends with Joker laughing his ass off and Bane feeling a hollow victory, because all he can do is beat him, but he can't actually conquer him or break him. Vice versa, Bane goes out with a look of real fear and pain on his face and Joker is still laughing his ass off.

    I can see either out-plotting the other, I suppose. I can see either winning in the physical fight: Bane through force and Joker mostly through trickery. But the game is rigged: Joker kind of always wins, especially against someone like Bane.
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