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    Default Treat me well, I treat you well. Treat me bad, I treat you bad.

    A value or a principle?

    If you start from a place where you treat others well as a base but then have the above rule, is that a value or a principle?

    Values vs Principles interest and confuse me.

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    In game theory, this is known as "tit for tat". It's one of the most efficient long-term strategies, but it ceases to work if A) two people utilize it and B) one of them treats the other badly initially.

    A variant, "tit for two tats", is a possible alternative. Think the burglary scene from Les Miserables.
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    Principle = Treat me well, I treat you well. Treat me bad, I treat you bad.

    Value behind the principle = reciprocity

    Or something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viridian View Post
    In game theory, this is known as "tit for tat". It's one of the most efficient long-term strategies, but it ceases to work if A) two people utilize it and B) one of them treats the other badly initially.

    A variant, "tit for two tats", is a possible alternative. Think the burglary scene from Les Miserables.
    Yeah, I see. I remember reading a whole series of variations of tit for tats in Carl Sagan's book.

    Anyone remember them?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rasofy View Post
    Principle = Treat me well, I treat you well. Treat me bad, I treat you bad.

    Value behind the principle = reciprocity

    Or something.
    Makes sense.

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    Treat me well, I treat you well. Treat me bad, I crush my enemies, see them driven before me, and hear the lamentations of their women.

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    This concept is also primarily reactionary. The reason to respond positively to negativity is to take the role of enacting a new dynamic. If you respond in any way that is not equal, it by nature establishes a new dynamic. I'm not sure if that aspect of this concept is a principle or value, but it seemed worth mentioning.
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    So I guess it means there is trouble until the robins come
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    Quote Originally Posted by fia View Post
    This concept is also primarily reactionary. The reason to respond positively to negativity is to take the role of enacting a new dynamic. If you respond in any way that is not equal, it by nature establishes a new dynamic. I'm not sure if that aspect of this concept is a principle or value, but it seemed worth mentioning.
    That's not principle, I think, but "vision". Spoken like a true INFJ. Trying to create a better future set of principles, more like. "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind."

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    Quote Originally Posted by fia View Post
    This concept is also primarily reactionary.
    Agree. It's neither value nor principle, IMO. It's a behavioural pattern. An animal could follow that pattern without the concept of value or principle being in force.

    In general, your values (subjective evaluations of moral worth) will influence your principles (objective standards which embody those values).

    For example, if you value fidelity and the sanctity of marriage, you will, on principle, avoid pursuing a partner who is already married.
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    ^ That makes sense.
    Step into my metaphysical room of mirrors.
    Fear of reality creates myopic morality
    So I guess it means there is trouble until the robins come
    (from Blue Velvet)

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    Another translation could be an eye for an eye, and it falls within an animalistic emotional process that’s easy to emulate.

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