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    Quote Originally Posted by EcK View Post
    Yeah see I think most people should only teach AFTER a successful career. There are too many people in education who are basically losers who couldn't make a buck with their idea.

    and yeah. i think that if you are a smart thinker you can create value for organizations, countries etc. you can figure out how to do it. If you can't figure it out well, you're a loser. I mean that. I'd consider myself a failure if I didn't activate my brains into something valuable for society at micro or macro levels.

    now some people just love teaching, I have an immense of respect for that. But I doubt it's what drives most teachers.

    I remember I'd start laughing in class and kill the guy's argument. and he's get all upset. he was smart, but see if you don't challenge yourself for long enough you just turn ability to think into regurgitation, and frankly as a philosophy teacher it was his DUTY not to fall to the entrapment of regurgitating thought.

    I always saw 20 holes in each argument given, which is fine, because you always have so many perspectives, but the unwillingness to discuss these points further is what made these classes so memorable (and boring) to me.
    Those professors were both at the end of varied careers and were teaching the subject because it was a subject that they really loved and they wanted us to love it as much as they did and they KNEW that they didn't know everything and that there was still stuff to learn... that makes a difference in a way- passion and curiosity... without it, you're no good for anyone

    and instructors who think that they are infallible are intolerable it's like I've always wondered about the Amish... what year did they decide that what they had was perfect and to stop advancing from that point on? when do you decide that you know so much that you don't need to be questioned- you don't need to learn anything else? were I to make a list of characteristics that I find revolting in people, close minded certitude would definitely be on the list
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    you don't need to learn anything else? were I to make a list of characteristics that I find revolting in people, close minded certitude would definitely be on the list
    So when did you decide it was a given that close mindness would be on that list
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    Quote Originally Posted by EcK View Post
    yeah, I actually quietly suffer quite alot from that, now at this piont in my life i have the confidence, drive, vision and balbalbla to counter act it but I don't believe in denying stuff to myself (though the official version is that im ALWAYS doing great).

    well im not that horribly picky when it c omes to acquaintances. but I get bored very fast. and most tend to freak out when my Ne actually gets fed and says something.
    It's fine, I get it.

    Then again very very very very rarely I get into these intense conversation with , well usually a primary of secondary N (sue me) out of the blue. it's nice.

    Now I had to accept that the price to pay is to get satisfaction from things that satisfy my basic extroversion rather than my core.
    I do believe that I complained recently that I have no friends because I've tended to be a rolling stone, gathering no moss

    I guess, in a way, it's like feeling that you're looking for something, only you're not sure what it is and you don't know where you'll find it... life's too interesting to sit and listen to the same person all day, every day... it's like going to a buffet and eating only one offering now, I do have a significant other who I like enough to keep around- he's my home, in a way... where I go to feel comfort, acceptance for being myself and I'm happy to return to every evening after adventuring out in the day- a home base is a good thing to have... as for friends though, I've always kept moving forward, and there's a price to pay for that
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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    I do believe that I complained recently that I have no friends because I've tended to be a rolling stone, gathering no moss

    I guess, in a way, it's like feeling that you're looking for something, only you're not sure what it is and you don't know where you'll find it... life's too interesting to sit and listen to the same person all day, every day... it's like going to a buffet and eating only one offering now, I do have a significant other who I like enough to keep around- he's my home, in a way... where I go to feel comfort, acceptance for being myself and I'm happy to return to every evening after adventuring out in the day- a home base is a good thing to have... as for friends though, I've always kept moving forward, and there's a price to pay for that
    Yeah I've noticed that. Several months ago i was working all the time, and I had lost touch with all my acquaintances, and I'd have a free evening and just, nothing to do.

    it was horrifying. and depressing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EcK View Post
    So when did you decide it was a given that close mindness would be on that list
    *takes notes*
    I'm aware that my passionate and unshakable hatred of people who are "above questioning" is kind of hypocritical, but I don't let it bother me... as whitman said "do I contradict myself? very well then, I contradict myself..."
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    I'm aware that my passionate and unshakable hatred of people who are "above questioning" is kind of hypocritical, but I don't let it bother me... as whitman said "do I contradict myself? very well then, I contradict myself..."
    Individuals are multiple, realising it is actually, a way to further individuality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EcK View Post
    Yeah I've noticed that. Several months ago i was working all the time, and I had lost touch with all my acquaintances, and I'd have a free evening and just, nothing to do.

    it was horrifying. and depressing.
    I can identify with that

    evenings like that have led to a lot of bad decisions in my life
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    I can identify with that

    evenings like that have led to a lot of bad decisions in my life
    I just. can't solve that.
    I tried, i can't solve it. I'm actually extremely loyal to my friends and loved ones (the ones I pick). But my friends seem not always to be as loyal or spontaneous, and the rest I don't really care about, I like them, but as entertainment, if i have something better to do i wont even think about them. I bond with people fast if i see potential, and i can see potential pretty much from the get go. though that's quite rare. I'm pretty sure I'd become good friends with you for example.

    I also have an issue with planning. I'll plan at work if required, but for entertainment I just, literately, have no clue what i 'll be doing in the next 24 hours.

    I saw an interesting mirroring of my 'empty periods' in a friend I've met about 3 months ago. The guy's extremely smart, an entj, charismatic, persuasive, etc.
    I often feel similarly, if you put me with a decision maker (and I speak the right language) I often mark them as someone memorable. however I just, dont quite know how to maintain these, superficial relationships around me.

    interestingly enough while he knows lots of influential people he told me something that left a mark a while back. He was surprised by all the 'stuff we did'. (we were with a 3rd guy) and actually didn't have that much of a social life outside of work.

    interestingly, the third guy is the less intelligent, competent & driven of the 3. yet he seem to have a very wide circle of friends, etc. (im comparing because we're talking similar fields of expertize, goals etc. professionally and humanly I'd consider myself a failure if i was this guy)
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    Quote Originally Posted by EcK View Post
    I just. can't solve that.
    I tried, i can't solve it. I'm actually extremely loyal to my friends and loved ones (the ones I pick). But my friends seem not always to be as loyal or spontaneous, and the rest I don't really care about, I like them, but as entertainment, if i have something better to do i wont even think about them. I bond with people fast if i see potential, and i can see potential pretty much from the get go. though that's quite rare. I'm pretty sure I'd become good friends with you for example.

    I also have an issue with planning. I'll plan at work if required, but for entertainment I just, literately, have no clue what i 'll be doing in the next 24 hours.

    I saw an interesting mirroring of my 'empty periods' in a friend I've met about 3 months ago. The guy's extremely smart, an entj, charismatic, persuasive, etc.

    interestingly enough while he knows lots of influential people he told me something that left a mark a while back. He was surprised by all the 'stuff we did'. (we were with a 3rd guy) and actually didn't have that much of a social life outside of work.

    interestingly, the third guy is the less intelligen & less driven of the 3. yet he seem to have a very wide circle of friends, etc. (im comparing because we're talking similar fields of expertize, goals etc.)

    I often feel similarly, if you put me with a decision maker (and I speak the right language) I often mark them as someone memorable. however I just, dont quite know how to maintain these, superficial relationships.
    back in the old days when I had a lot of spare time and so did all of my buddies, friendship was easy... we were all relatively single, none of us had jobs and we'd just naturally gravitate to the same locations after classes were over and spend the evenings hanging out... conveniently for me, this location was the first floor of where I lived so I couldn't get distracted on my way there

    the problem is though, now I have a job and once I get busy keeping in contact with people just doesn't occur to me... I tend to operate on the principle of "I go, I come back" and a lot of people just write you out when you've left for a bit. it's not like I intentionally set out to use people for my entertainment, but I guess, in a way, that's what friendships for me are for... something to do when I have nothing else to do... friends being like hobbies... wow... that makes me sound like a terrible person

    a couple of people in my life get that and I really appreciate that... I can disappear for a month and when I resurface things pick right back up where they left off and that's reassuring in a way... that's rare though...

    I can definitely identify with that guy... I know half of the town and they know me- I have a ton of acquaintances and they like me- I can charm the socks off of just about anybody in a couple of minutes and it's all shallow in a way. I have no social life outside of what the man tends to provide and even then I spend half of the time feeling like I don't fit in... I'll go to the casino with a group and end up spending an hour chatting with the security guards instead of anyone I came with

    and too bad you aren't over here... you actually get it!
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