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    Quote Originally Posted by Randomnity View Post
    As a non-American, I wonder how much of this Us vs. Them attitude derives from your 2 party system. It is of course a common human tendency but seems stronger (and even violent) in some americans compared to people from other countries.

    Also as a non-American, you guys know that left and right are relative, right? Sure the forum is left-leaning....compared to the Southern US. It's pretty center of the road for US urban areas/West coast/similar areas (I believe) and Canada, and I'd imagine it leans right compared to some of the more leftist countries in Europe. As a Canadian, your democratic party is incredibly right-leaning about some issues.

    What's especially puzzling to me is that I see a shit ton of complaining in this thread about being persecuted despite the evidence showing that the complaining individuals respond with vicious personal attacks and threats without any provocation besides their ideologies being questioned. They are all for freedom of speech until someone happens to disagree with them, apparently - at that point it becomes "persecution".

    Cry me a goddamn river.
    This post would be so good if it weren't for all the extremely strong opposing arguments that would absolutely eviscerate it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Yup. For example, use of the word "Socialist" in the last election seems laugh-worthy.

    Having little experience with some foreign systems, I'm aware there are multi-party nations in existence.... How are these multi-party systems maintained so they don't reduce further? The USA tends to see parties swallowed (or made so tiny as to be irrelevant) until only two main parties remain.
    Awesome.

    Some more brilliant political analysis from Jennifer.



    Quote Originally Posted by chana View Post
    amen. there's just an absurd amount of entitlement going on. i'd analyze it further but i'll get called a "useless waste of space" or told to "get fucked." again. those good ol' conservative values at work.


    Yes, entitlement, that's what it is.

    Pointing out that there are about five "conservatives" (i.e., not blatantly left-leaning) on this site, with just about everyone else being blatantly left-leaning, is due to entitlement. What the fuck is this? Liberal college buzzword Wednesday? Thank you for sparing us the brilliant analysis you could have unleashed if you didn't have nothing to do. Considering the clear and utter genius behind that last "quip" of yours, I'm sure our minds couldn't have handled whatever it is you were holding back with.

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    This thread has cranked the dial on the amp of suck to eleven.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Pointing out that there are about five "conservatives" (i.e., not blatantly left-leaning) on this site, with just about everyone else being blatantly left-leaning, is due to entitlement. What the fuck is this? Liberal college buzzword Wednesday? Thank you for sparing us the brilliant analysis you could have unleashed if you didn't have nothing to do. Considering the clear and utter genius behind that last "quip" of yours, I'm sure our minds couldn't have handled whatever it is you were holding back with.
    it has nothing to do with acknowledging that. it's obvious that this forum is left-leaning, that was never in question. i just don't understand why you feel that the people here have to agree with your politics. if it's so frustrating for you, you could either leave or avoid the topic all together, but you (and discobiscuit) choose to play the bully instead and cross lines. it's just absurd to think of entering an environment where you have the minority opinion, staying in it, discussing it constantly, and getting upset or surprised when people have a negative reaction. that's the entitlement i was speaking of. sorry if it wasn't an eloquent enough choice of words for you, but i can't think of anything better to describe it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chana View Post
    it has nothing to do with acknowledging that. it's obvious that this forum is left-leaning, that was never in question. i just don't understand why you feel that the people here have to agree with your politics. if it's so frustrating for you, you could either leave or avoid the topic all together, but you (and discobiscuit) choose to play the bully instead and cross lines. it's just absurd to think of entering an environment where you have the minority opinion, staying in it, discussing it constantly, and getting upset or surprised when people have a negative reaction. that's the entitlement i was speaking of. sorry if it wasn't an eloquent enough choice of words for you, but i can't think of anything better to describe it.
    Wow.

    It's almost like I predicted that.

    Missed the "or just shut your mouth", though.

    Should've seen that coming, too... or, well, on second thought, I guess that is the overarching liberal groupthink message.

    "We respect diversity of all kinds. That is, until something goes against what we believe. Then we try to shut it up."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Wow.

    It's almost like I predicted that.

    Missed the "or just shut your mouth", though.

    Should've seen that coming, too... or, well, on second thought, I guess that is the overarching liberal groupthink message.

    "We respect diversity of all kinds. That is, until something goes against what we believe. Then we try to shut it up."
    you completely missed my point. my issue is not with your opinions, but the way you choose to express them. the end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chana View Post
    you completely missed my point. my issue is not with your opinions, but the way you choose to express them. the end.
    And I think you miss my point: I don't give a shit.

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    Serious bit of emoting in this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Awesome.

    Some more brilliant political analysis from Jennifer.

    It works out nicely -- I provide brilliance, you provide drama.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    You were clear. It is this local, personal loyalty that those in power can exploit. If your neighbors turn in the Jews they know, you do, too. If your family won't associate with blacks, you don't either.
    Obviously there are limits. I wasn't referring to compromising truth or logic in a way that compromises fundamental values. I always naturally think in terms of truth and justice first. I've learned at times that I can be a bit pedantic about it and sometimes loyalty should be chosen. There's nothing pedantic about standing against racial hatred.


    I am more concerned with what is effective than commendable
    Yes, you clearly are more interested in just talking about what you're concerned about then actually engaging my arguments.


    I agree. I don't expect charity from the president, just effectiveness, and a longer view of American interests than most politicians take. It is not in America's interests to squander the contributions of large portions of our citizenry through poor education, crime, unemployment, or untreated health issues. Nor is it in our interests to have strategic regions of the world destabilized by angry, idle, or manipulated mobs. If conservatives and liberals can set ideology aside long enough to examine practical solutions to real problems, they will find they are often not that far apart.
    The state is a piss-poor agent for bringing about societal change. Moreover, those in power can also manipulate the people's desire for the state to bring about societal change even to the point of offering the people a final solution to society's ills.


    So, if I read about runaways turning to prostitution and want to help, I have to find one of these people and get to know them individually before I count as "caring"??
    Are you kidding me?

    Quote Originally Posted by Beorn View Post
    Sure. I'll concede that concrete actions done anonymously can be a meaningful type of caring.
    I'm not sure where you get the idea of seeing people as victims. You may see the anonymous needy that way; I usually think, "there but for the grace of God . . . ".
    I don't understand why you're personalizing everything. Surely, you can recognize that this happens to other people. I saw it all the time when I worked with the mentally disabled. Strangers would empathize and treat them with pity, but not recognize their inherent dignity or treat them with the respect that they received from those who knew them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    What is your opinion of the left leaning tendencies of TypoC? And how does this influence your choice of whether to post in political threads?
    It can get annoying when it crosses the line into open contempt or outright demonization toward people with opposing viewpoints, but otherwise I don't take it personally.

    It depends on whether I currently feel like expending more than casual effort to essentially, and regardless of whomever is actually quoted, debate 3+ people at once (it was easier in college, when I was already spending dozens of hours a week studying politics, and most debate opponents were operating from a common framework of general knowledge).

    As a general rule, though, I prefer to avoid threads involving too much drama or personal attacks, and don't really want to get involved in this one for that reason.

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