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    Quote Originally Posted by oberon View Post
    Well, I believe you... but in Hindi, I'm still Arun.

    That I'm also Arun in Urddu and Sanskrit and twenty other languages is interesting, to be sure. Thanks for the news.
    Actually, I was just dispelling the misunderstanding that people who don't know about Indian names would come away with from your post. Most people would read it as, "Arun is a Hindi name."

    Also, your statement depends greatly on what you mean by saying "in Hindi"... I know many Hindi speakers who'd call you "Ay-raaN" (basically your name with a Hindi-speaker's accent)...

    'Aaron' is a Hebrew name meaning "uncertainty" by some accounts... so a Hindi/Urdu word which approximated that meaning would be "Sandeha" (Sanskrit origin) or "Shakk" (Farsi). 'Arun' means dawn in Sanskrit.

    Additionally, "aaron" sounds like "aah-run" or "aeh-run", with the 'run' like the English word 'run'. The Indian "Arun" sounds like 'uh-ruhn', with the 'uh' like a schwa and the 'ruhn' with a short 'u' sound.

    In that sense, the only way your name is Arun is if Hindi-speakers just want to say something that sounds vaguely like your name, but has no real connection deeper than messed up phonics.

    Only names like Michele / Michael can genuinely be said to be direct translations from one language to another.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Samuel De Mazarin View Post
    Actually, I was just dispelling the misunderstanding that people who don't know about Indian names would come away with from your post. Most people would read it as, "Arun is a Hindi name."

    Also, your statement depends greatly on what you mean by saying "in Hindi"... I know many Hindi speakers who'd call you "Ay-raaN" (basically your name with a Hindi-speakers accent)...

    'Aaron' is a Hebrew name meaning "uncertainty" by some accounts... so a Hindi/Urdu word which approximated that meaning would be "Sandeha" (Sanskrit origin) or "Shakk" (Farsi). 'Arun' means dawn in Sanskrit.

    Additionally, "aaron" sounds like "aah-run" or "aeh-run", with the 'run' like the English word 'run'. The Indian "Arun" sounds like 'uh-ruhn', with the 'uh' like a schwa and the 'ruhn' with a short 'u' sound.

    In that sense, the only way your name is Arun is if Hindi-speakers just want to say something that sounds vaguely like your name, but has no real connection deeper than messed up phonics.

    Only names like Michele / Michael can genuinely be said to be direct translations from one language to another.
    Lol,

    What a know-it-all!!!

    :rolli:

    You must be a real pain in the ass.

    FUN!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by oberon View Post
    By the way, Sam, I first learned about my name's Asian connection from a lovely graduate student in the English program at Virginia Tech. Her name was Babita Sachdeva, she was brilliant, and she showed me how to write my name in both Hindi and Urddu. Of course I promptly forgot, because I was so bedazzled at the time.

    Babita took me to task for not voicing the hard "t" in her name, a mistake I only made once. She also could identify the fibers in my clothing at a glance. Her family had made its fortune in the textile business, and had been at it for probably hundreds of years.
    "Urdu" doesn't have a double-d... written in the modified Arabo-Persian Urdu script, for instance, it's "aleph-with-pesh, daal, re, waw"... there's only a single 'd' sound.

    When she taught you to a name in Devanagari, she taught you not to write your name, but an unrelated Indian name: 'Arun'. In reality, the Devanagari and modified Arabo-Persian Urdu script would read differently with a proper phonetic writing of your actual name, which is 'Aaron'.

    I won't argue with the idea that Arun is "Asian." I've got a whole thread in which I disagree with that idea.

    I don't know what her family's textile business has to do with names.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Samuel De Mazarin View Post
    Actually, I was just dispelling the misunderstanding that people who don't know about Indian names would come away with from your post. Most people would read it as, "Arun is a Hindi name."

    Also, your statement depends greatly on what you mean by saying "in Hindi"... I know many Hindi speakers who'd call you "Ay-raaN" (basically your name with a Hindi-speakers accent)...

    'Aaron' is a Hebrew name meaning "uncertainty" by some accounts... so a Hindi/Urdu word which approximated that meaning would be "Sandeha" (Sanskrit origin) or "Shakk" (Farsi). 'Arun' means dawn in Sanskrit.

    Additionally, "aaron" sounds like "aah-run" or "aeh-run", with the 'run' like the English word 'run'. The Indian "Arun" sounds like 'uh-ruhn', with the 'uh' like a schwa and the 'ruhn' with a short 'u' sound.

    In that sense, the only way your name is Arun is if Hindi-speakers just want to say something that sounds vaguely like your name, but has no real connection deeper than messed up phonics.

    Only names like Michele / Michael can genuinely be said to be direct translations from one language to another.
    I consider it much more likely that the Semitic languages inherited or appropriated this name from the Vedic... considering that another translation of the Hebrew "Aaron" is bright or shining light. That would seem to me to be consistent with the Vedic "Arun," the dawn, and probably points to a common origin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainChick View Post
    Lol,

    What a know-it-all!!!

    :rolli:

    You must be a real pain in the ass.

    FUN!!!

    I am anal-retentive when it comes to these things and dislike seeing inaccuracies spread, particularly on public forums. I have to learn to keep my shit to myself, because I don't know everything...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Samuel De Mazarin View Post
    "Urdu" doesn't have a double-d... written in the modified Arabo-Persian Urdu script, for instance, it's "aleph-with-pesh, daal, re, waw"... there's only a single 'd' sound.
    Transliteration has always been an inexact science on the English end of things. I won't quibble with you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Samuel De Mazarin View Post
    When she taught you to a name in Devanagari, she taught you not to write your name, but an unrelated Indian name: 'Arun'. In reality, the Devanagari and modified Arabo-Persian Urdu script would read differently with a proper phonetic writing of your actual name, which is 'Aaron'.
    Do not read too much into the spelling. As I mention above, transliteration is an inexact science when English is involved. You should also consider meanings, and not only the ones that support your contention.

    Quote Originally Posted by Samuel De Mazarin View Post
    I don't know what her family's textile business has to do with names.
    Ah, it was just my fond remembrance of a lovely young woman.

    Do you think I posted on this thread just to argue with you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by oberon View Post
    I consider it much more likely that the Semitic languages inherited or appropriated this name from the Vedic... considering that another translation of the Hebrew "Aaron" is bright or shining light. That would seem to me to be consistent with the Vedic "Arun," the dawn, and probably points to a common origin.
    That is highly conjectural! But touche!... I still think a true spelling of your name "Aaron" would have been called for in the Devanagari and 'Urdu' scripts, but I'll concede that with that sort of an argument, I'd have to dedicate myself to five years of research to refute you.

    And I did talk about the pronunciations of Aaron as opposed to Arun... that's what I was referring to with transcription of your name into the Indic/Arabic scripts... not the English spelling...
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    Quote Originally Posted by oberon View Post
    Do you think I posted on this thread just to argue with you?
    No. Do you really think you occupy that much of my attention? It's easy to type-and-post a response to something that I disagree with. Takes 15 to 30 seconds a post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Samuel De Mazarin View Post
    No. Do you really think you occupy that much of my attention? It's easy to type-and-post a response to something that I disagree with. Takes 15 to 30 seconds a post.
    Lol, you're terrible.

    You're like me, but with testicles.

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