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    The Chaotic Neutral code worked fairly well for me. With some adaptations.
    The Ten Chaotic Neutral Commandments

    A list of Ten Commandments for a chaotic neutral religion may look like this:

    1. You shall lie to promote your freedom.

    2. You shall not kill the innocent.

    3. You shall not murder.

    4. You shall help the needy if such action promotes your freedom.

    5. You shall honor no authority above yourself.

    6. You shall break the law whenever convenient.

    7. You shall not betray others unless your life is in jeopardy.

    8. You shall not aid enemies of freedom or those who promote law.

    9. You shall pursue pleasure.

    10. You shall promote unlimited freedom for yourself.
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    A man builds. A parasite asks 'Where is my share?'
    A man creates. A parasite says, 'What will the neighbors think?'
    A man invents. A parasite says, 'Watch out, or you might tread on the toes of God... '


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    I know: No one has.
    A pretty bold statement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    To the best of my ability I try to teach men to fish as opposed to giving them fish.
    Teaching people to fish is noble, and I believe in personal responsibility myself. On the other hand it's pretty difficult to learn how to fish if you're unwell, which is why temporary or conditional giving of fish is actually beneficial whilst teaching people to fish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffywolf View Post
    I do suck at reading all posts in a thread.

    However, since your moraility is very self centered, I would want to argue the strength of your morality. If you would teach your morality to all others, but all others are unlike yourself, there is a good chance interests will clash and your own happiness might be the cost of someone elses, or vice versa. Wouldn't it be better to try and adhere a moral code that focuses on the group rather than the self, as a means to ultimately create a better place for the self as an indirect result, but through this also solidifying that place?

    I'm actually serious now, interested in hearing your actual thoughts on this.
    I have my morality for myself, not to educate people as to how to live most peacefully, happily and prudently among themselves. I think if we are talking about ethical theories that can be used for such purposes, I would refer to Peter Singer.

    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    A pretty bold statement.
    As bold as stating that, sad though it is, there are no wizards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    I have my morality for myself, not to educate people as to how to live most peacefully, happily and prudently in among themselves. I think if we are talking about ethical theories that can be used for such purposes, I would refer to Peter Singer.


    As bold as stating that, sad though it is, there are no wizards.
    Regardless of his powers, I'm fairly certain that Jesus existed.

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    Fair enough.

    I personally am of belief that the best morality is the morality that enforces the group as a whole in which the individuals can then all strive as equal oppertunists. A morality that focuses on the self, but which can still be shared between many people for whatever individual reason, is likely to cause friction in a group as a whole and could lead to unwanted results.
    ~Self-depricating Megalomaniacal Superwolf

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    1) integrally informed pluralistic individualism: the underlying justification of morals is human nature, and human nature is not some sort of pudding shaped by conditioning or culture or random shit. until you have figured out this nature, you don't know the justification of your values. so cultivate an attitude of: "i'm not sure about my values, and therefore i will only use my moral principles for decisions, if a decision is absolutely required and i have no more holistic instinct about the situation. i will also try to limit the scope of influence of such value based decisions, to the immediate presence and to few people, if possible just to myself." the world doesn't need pluralistic do-gooding activism (not to mention worse approaches). partial approaches, that are deployed as if they were of absolute quality, hurt us more, than they do good. not-integrally-informed thus 'absolutist' pluralism can have worse consequences, in today's situation, than fascism in the old days, while being blissfully unaware of what it's doing.

    2) integralism: to the degree you have figured out human nature, you can actually be confident about values. (but to the degree I have figured it out, it's already revealed to be way too complicated, to be summarized in a thread like this)

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    "Do not let spacious plans for a new world divert your energies from saving what is left of the old."

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    Regardless of his powers, I'm fairly certain that Jesus existed.
    Sure, many people named Yeshua existed. But to be Jesus, the idea of whom so many people adore, one would have to have other qualities as well: and nobody has ever had those.

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    don't fucking save the old world, it's insane. and every Ni user knows this.

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