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  1. #11
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    Let me know if you want me to translate the description.

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    Yes, I do hate that shit.
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    I'm curious, how would y'all write the job description?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    These words are taken from a job description for one who might be interested in applying. I ask you to take your time reading them.

    ~
    The Center is a formative activity focused on matching
    state-of-the-art software research with critical U.S. Government (USG)
    needs. This position will support the mission by developing, applying,
    demonstrating, evaluating, and transitioning software capabilities
    that operationalize research concepts of significant value to the USG.
    Software developers in the work on leading edge technologies and apply
    them to important and challenging problems. It is a dynamic and
    flexible development environment with constant opportunities to
    develop new skills, to learn new programming methods and techniques,
    to work on emerging architectures and systems, and to make a
    difference. Duties include: Develop and code software solutions that
    provide needed capabilities to the USG building on state-of-the-art
    research in analytics, data architectures, software assurance,
    security, and human information interaction; conduct rapid software
    prototyping to demonstrate and evaluate technologies in relevant
    environments; conduct performance, security, and other aspects of
    evaluating software systems; test software capabilities using novel
    testing and analysis techniques; document software with an emphasis on
    architectures, user stories, and interface definitions; practice agile
    software development methods and actively participate on teams of
    software developers, researchers, designers, and technical leads;
    support software development infrastructure and assist in building and
    configuring computing systems and resources; interface with the
    research community and the USG to understand challenges, needs, and
    possible solutions; contribute to improving the overall technical
    capabilities by mentoring and teaching others, participating in design
    (software and otherwise) sessions, and sharing insights and wisdom
    across the team. This company requires that you apply directly to
    their web site to be considered for this job. To get to their web
    address, click the “Start Application” and “Apply” buttons and then
    click the URL link on the final screen to connect to the company’s web
    site. Complete your application as directed by their online process,
    being sure to identify PA CareerLink as your referral source.
    ~

    It says a whole lot without really saying anything. Like a holiday card.

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    Better?

    The focus of the Center is to apply state-of-the-art software research to critical U.S. Government (USG) needs. This position involves transitioning leading edge research concepts into operational software, for application to critical and challenging USG problems. The development environment is dynamic and flexible, with ongoing opportunities to learn new programming methods and techniques, to work on emerging architectures and systems, and to make a difference.

    Duties include:
    -- Develop and code software to enhance USG capabilities by building on state-of-the-art research in analytics, data architectures, software assurance, security, and human information interaction;
    -- Conduct rapid software prototyping to demonstrate and evaluate technologies in relevant environments;
    -- Evalute software systems in terms of performance, security, and other criteria;
    -- Test and analyze software capabilities using novel techniques;
    -- Document software with an emphasis on architectures, user stories, and interface definitions;
    -- Practice agile software development methods and contribute on teams of software developers, researchers, designers, and technical leads;
    -- Support software development infrastructure and assist in building and configuring computing systems and resources;
    -- Collaborate with the research community and the USG to understand challenges, needs, and possible solutions;
    -- Mentor and teach others, participate in design sessions, and share insights and wisdom across the team.

    To be considered, apply directly to the company website. Click the “Start Application” and “Apply” buttons, and then click the URL link on the final screen. Complete your application as directed by their online process, being sure to identify PA CareerLink as your referral source.
    I hate this drivel, too. It has grammatical errors, terrible sentence structure, and a word:content ratio that is just too high. My workplace is full of it, and any time it crosses my screen, I take my electronic red pen to it with a vengeance. (Would have done more to the above were I more familiar with the job.)
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    I appreciate the competitive advantage it gives me. Better to be proactive. It just amuses me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    These words are taken from a job description for one who might be interested in applying. I ask you to take your time reading them.

    ~
    The Center is a formative activity focused on matching
    state-of-the-art software research with critical U.S. Government (USG)
    needs. This position will support the mission by developing, applying,
    demonstrating, evaluating, and transitioning software capabilities
    that operationalize research concepts of significant value to the USG.
    Software developers in the work on leading edge technologies and apply
    them to important and challenging problems. It is a dynamic and
    flexible development environment with constant opportunities to
    develop new skills, to learn new programming methods and techniques,
    to work on emerging architectures and systems, and to make a
    difference. Duties include: Develop and code software solutions that
    provide needed capabilities to the USG building on state-of-the-art
    research in analytics, data architectures, software assurance,
    security, and human information interaction; conduct rapid software
    prototyping to demonstrate and evaluate technologies in relevant
    environments; conduct performance, security, and other aspects of
    evaluating software systems; test software capabilities using novel
    testing and analysis techniques; document software with an emphasis on
    architectures, user stories, and interface definitions; practice agile
    software development methods and actively participate on teams of
    software developers, researchers, designers, and technical leads;
    support software development infrastructure and assist in building and
    configuring computing systems and resources; interface with the
    research community and the USG to understand challenges, needs, and
    possible solutions; contribute to improving the overall technical
    capabilities by mentoring and teaching others, participating in design
    (software and otherwise) sessions, and sharing insights and wisdom
    across the team. This company requires that you apply directly to
    their web site to be considered for this job. To get to their web
    address, click the “Start Application” and “Apply” buttons and then
    click the URL link on the final screen to connect to the company’s web
    site. Complete your application as directed by their online process,
    being sure to identify PA CareerLink as your referral source.
    ~


    I am of the belief that neither the person that wrote that nor anyone it was written to satisfy actually knows what most of it means. It is like some kind of ritualistic writing. The words have no meaning, they just have to be there and look professional.

    This kind of bullshit honestly makes me angry. It raises my blood pressure a little bit. It seems culturally unhealthy that this sort of masquerade is expected, perhaps even required in professional circles. Don't people care that they aren't being told anything that might be of practical use? Conversely, don't people care that they are required to write something that has no meaning or utility?

    What do you think? Is anyone else pained by this or is it just a pet peeve of mine?
    I know people who..and have worked in high-technology for about seven years. Some of these things are..I think a lot of people probably get discouraged and rather intimidated by some of these messages. And a lot of the statements do appear to make some of the jobs glorified with those listings and responsibilities in what's expected of a job candidate.

    There's a few important points. First I'll just say that this is not likely to become any different later than it is.

    One important thing might be to not add too much thought to the impact of these postings. Some of the facts or job requirements are real. They are needed qualifications. Some others aren't pertinent and sound glorified. And they are. HR departments often don't really understand or know what, for example, the specific duties an engineer does. Especially in big companies.

    If I were to try and think of a software engineer I know who meets all of the qualifications listed here..I can't tell you that I know one. I probably don't. And it's likely there aren't any with absolutely all of those qualifications. So, there are usually a best-candidate or ideal qualifications criteria for the job role. Will everyone meet the qualifications? No probably not. Will anyone? Not likely. It's probably safe to say no.

    Companies just try to get the most out of people and only pay them what they have to.

    And when they interview, they know most likely that no one will match every need they're looking for.

    It's always a negotiation. I wouldn't worry too much with all of it. You won't hit on everything they want. And the company won't get everything they're looking for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    Better?



    I hate this drivel, too. It has grammatical errors, terrible sentence structure, and a word:content ratio that is just too high. My workplace is full of it, and any time it crosses my screen, I take my electronic red pen to it with a vengeance. (Would have done more to the above were I more familiar with the job.)
    Definitely better than what was presented. I can actually read all that without feeling like I am the one that needs to decipher what they want from me if I wanted to work there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfy View Post
    I appreciate the competitive advantage it gives me. Better to be proactive. It just amuses me.
    Bite your tongue! Quasi-words like "proactive" are no better than that contorted job announcement. The opposite of "reactive" is simply "active". (On the other hand, if you need work, someone might hire you to write job descriptions . . . )
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    Bite your tongue! Quasi-words like "proactive" are no better than that contorted job announcement. The opposite of "reactive" is simply "active". (On the other hand, if you need work, someone might hire you to write job descriptions . . . )
    Thanks, I was looking for a way to leverage that skill.

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