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    Quote Originally Posted by EcK View Post
    it is control to a degree. Structure cannot be ''detached'' from itself. A human remains a human, a tool user, a tactical communicator. It starts with our first cry, whether we know it or not. Letting go is relative.
    Structure cannot be detached but it can be hidden or lost even. There may also be forms of control or guiding that we don't yet understand. A level that exists beyond the baseness of self. However, of course every thing is relative to all else.
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    Question that has plagued me for a couple years: Are humans capable of altruism,

    Altruism is a motivation to provide something of value to a party who must be anyone but the self, while duty focuses on a moral obligation towards a specific individual (for example, a god, a king), or collective (for example, a government). Pure altruism consists of sacrificing something for someone other than the self (e.g. sacrificing time, energy or possessions) with no expectation of any compensation or benefits, either direct, or indirect (for instance from recognition of the giving). Altruism is the opposite of selfishness.
    Or do we do good for some underlying gain, even if that gain is to....feel good. ? Making us inevitably selfish.
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    The Memes Justify the End EcK's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    Question that has plagued me for a couple years: Are humans capable of altruism,



    Or do we do good for some underlying gain, even if that gain is to....feel good. ? Making us inevitably selfish.
    depends how you define the individual. But from a classical perspective (I dont mean body mind dualism, just the boundaries of ''see person , that is one individual'' and please lets not mention mirrors and illusions : P) yeah there is no real reason for anybody to do anything without drives and if they never did anything that was in their interest life expectancy would probably be much lower. So the way we experience these things are through ''natural preferences'' (sugar rather than salt for example) and how A) feels good and B) feels bad and triggers avoidance strategies etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    Question that has plagued me for a couple years: Are humans capable of altruism,



    Or do we do good for some underlying gain, even if that gain is to....feel good. ? Making us inevitably selfish.
    That would only apply to deliberate acts of 'Good', which is utterly subjective. A compliment toward someone, a holding of the door to the person behind you.. these may not even have conscious thought enough to bring the pleasure of "I'm good." It's all addition and subtraction in the singular form, a give and take to create the whole, which is Identity.
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    the second video series breaks it all down quickly and effectively for anyone thats looking and ready/ others just need more time.
    however, ime, IRL exp isn't neither as quick or smooth, and the edge i posted earlier is a symbolic referrence to a point of recurring resistance that is likely to surface as one begins facing thyself in those moments of discovery when realisations clash with previous mental concepts, expectations, etc, resistance directly proportional to the degree of attachement and identification with said mental noise.
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    Good question. Luckily, Ayn Rand has written a whole book about its virtue. Have a read....

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    moral objectivism :P defining what is best for the goose and gander, when what is best for the goose, may not be best for the gander.
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