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    Default In cases of wrongful execution, what's the aftermath? What should it be?

    Texas executed wrong man, report claims

    I read this article and it cooked up a question and potential discussion. What happens when someone is found to have been innocent of a crime after wrongful execution? If the real culprit is identified and still alive, are they prosecuted or can the crime no longer be put to anyone? Also, is there compensation provided to the immediate family? How does the process of posthumous exoneration work? Any relevant information or thoughts are welcome.
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    The possibility of wrongful execution is one reason why I'm opposed to the death penalty. If you imprison someone who is wrongfully accused of a crime you can set the person free later. But you can't bring back the dead.
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    I haven't studied it in detail, but I know a state gov has sometimes made a financial compensation to someone wrongly imprisoned. (I recall one case with a wrongfull imprisonment lasting a few decades, and the state paid out $1 million or something similar to the victim.)

    A Google search would probably bring up a few relevant examples.

    Maybe I'm wrong, but my impression is that Texas seems to be notorious for incarcerating the wrong people. There's also a racial bias in play, where whites do better under the system than blacks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    I haven't studied it in detail, but I know a state gov has sometimes made a financial compensation to someone wrongly imprisoned. (I recall one case with a wrongfull imprisonment lasting a few decades, and the state paid out $1 million or something similar to the victim.)
    I'm not sure any amount of financial compensation could make up for having spent a large portion of your life imprisoned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuchIrony View Post
    I'm not sure any amount of financial compensation could make up for having spent a large portion of your life imprisoned.
    Well, I agree with that.
    I mean, $1 million sounds like BS in trade for the best 35 years of your adult life incarcerated.
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    I'd say the best they could do is award the family of the executed person a hefty sum and publicize their mistake (and that he was innocent).

    I used to be pretty pro-death penalty, but now I actually have very little faith that the justice system works the way it's supposed to a lot of the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallulah View Post
    I'd say the best they could do is award the family of the executed person a hefty sum and publicize their mistake (and that he was innocent).

    I used to be pretty pro-death penalty, but now I actually have very little faith that the justice system works the way it's supposed to a lot of the time.
    By my mid-20s I had concluded that the death penalty was a grim, but necessary evil. Time and repeated posthumous exonerations have changed my mind since then. We could just export murderous convicts to an island... then I remembered that's been tried. Heh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuchIrony View Post
    The possibility of wrongful execution is one reason why I'm opposed to the death penalty. If you imprison someone who is wrongfully accused of a crime you can set the person free later. But you can't bring back the dead.
    This.

    I haven't researched this a whole lot, but I have followed enough cases of those still alive that have been jailed for extensive periods of time, only to later have new technology and evidence surface proving their innocence, and the jusitce system is a complete joke. No judge or prosecutor wants to see this kind of fuck up on their time, so many cases sit in litigation.. just waiting to be given the opportunity of another trial which can take years! As far as I understand it, there are cases that are never given this opportunity for some asinine reason.

    I would imagine that very few "mistakes" of people wrongfully executed ever hit the public eye, and I have never heard of any families compensated but would be interested if someone has some stories on this.
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    I believe in addition to the moral issues it is also cheaper to imprison someone for life than to go for the death penalty after appeals and whatnot. I heard about a guy who was imprisoned in a real life shawshank redemption case in texas. He got out recently. Imagine losing your wife, being imprisoned, and having your kid grow up to hate you :/
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    Essentially, the state should be condemned to pay a sizable sum in compensation for material damages (based on how much money the man was expected to earn during his lifetime) and moral damages (pretty subjective) to the victim's family.
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