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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfy View Post
    I am changing to istp for the reasons listed below...

    I relate to istp.
    I want to see who will say no way.
    I want to throw a spanner in your typology interpretation works.
    Do it. But you know I approve partly because I enjoy annoying and inciting people.
    Quote Originally Posted by RaptorWizard View Post
    This is absolutely humiliating that someone even has the very thought that ISFP could look like ISTP as they are way totally different since ISFPs are Fi slaves and ISTPs are Ti Masters!
    Are you implying that Ti dominants would find the suggestion that they are Fi dominant humiliating? And are you implying that IXFP's are incapable of self mastery? Or are you just being sarcastic?
    Quote Originally Posted by wolfy View Post
    What a load of shit. Bollocks, I say!!
    Yes.
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    As I would not be a slave, so I would not be a master -- except of myself. That is enough.
    Ditto.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenfairy View Post
    Are you implying that Ti dominants would find the suggestion that they are Fi dominant humiliating? And are you implying that IXFP's are incapable of self mastery? Or are you just being sarcastic?
    IXFPs could become masters of the soul though mastery of the mind will belong to the IXTPs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaptorWizard View Post
    IXFPs could become masters of the soul though mastery of the mind will belong to the IXTPs.
    I think both types can be both, because a healthy and evolved person is.

    And you didn't answer my first question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfy View Post
    It is more that I relate to Ti. I think I concern myself more with truth and feasibility than value and importance. Though both Fi and Ti are running around in my brain I prefer to start from Ti.

    Plus, I just felt like it.
    Really? Me too! But the collective consensus is that I am INFP; so that reasoning alone isn't good enough. Show us your Ti! Put your money where your mouth is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    The person you're looking for is me.

    Linda Berens has used her Interaction Styles model to type thousands of people over several decades without even having to take the MBTI, or to find a better-fit type for people who have taken the MBTI, but remain conflicted. Knowing her model as well as I do, I could ask her," Hey Linda! Ever see an ISTP who has an informing style of communication, rather than directing?" Her answer would be, "No." And the reason is simple - using the model, SFPs and STPs have opposing styles of communication.

    Here are your own words from another thread you started:




    Using communication styles, alone, I would never categorize the words in those quotes as ISTP. But let's compare Directing vs Informing. There's more to it than meets the eye.

    Directing:

    Focus on: Task/Time focus
    Intent: Give structure, direct.
    Behavior: Tell, ask, urge.
    Comfort Zone: Comfortable telling people what to do.

    Tendencies:

    • Impatient with emergent process.
    • Often surprised when people resist in being told what to do.
    • May get frustrated by a lack of clear position.
    • Tend to act certain they are right.
    • May be seen as bossy.


    • More forceful voice to create urgency.
    • Often more straightforward statements.
    • Moving forward, definite.



    Informing:

    Focus on: Process/motivation focus
    Intent: Evoke, inspire, seek input.
    Behavior: Inform, inquire, explain, describe
    Comfort zone: Giving information, and less comfortable telling people what to do.

    Tendencies:

    • More patient with emergent process.
    • Often surprised when information isn't acted on.
    • May be offended at being told what to do.
    • More likely to be seen as non-commital.
    • May be seen as indecisive.


    • More tentative tone of voice to invite agreement.
    • Often more subtle statements.
    • Flowing, open, eliciting.


    Moving on, here are more of your statements:



    That is not the Directing, Chart-The-Course, style of an ISTP.
    It's the Informing, Get-Things-Going, style of an ESFP.

    ESTP/ISTP have a directing communication style.
    ESFP/ISFP have an informing communication style.

    ESFP = Get-Things-Going
    ISFP = Behind-the-Scenes
    ESTP = In-Charge
    ISTP = Chart-the-Course

    Descriptions are here:
    http://www.interactionstyles.com/

    If I put all that aside, I could say: "Hey wolfy - be whatever the fuck you want to be! Rock on!"
    However, the models are not something I ignore.



    The above words speak volumes.

    To be frank, when I read your comment, "Plus, I just felt like it." I wondered if you are screwing with people as an experiment. Lol. Regardless, my comments stand. Using Berens' model, your own preferences are consistent with ESFP.

    Models exist for a reason - they're not designed to categorize types "just because they feel like it."

    Cheers, buddy.
    Oh, and what happens when someone's style of communication can't be neatly categorized because they fit more than one type?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    ISTPs annoy the shit out of me.



    O exalted Zara why must you be so cruel and heartless towards our incredible species? What could we ever have done to invoke your divine wrath lying dormant within your epic sage powers to unlock and unleash upon our tromented souls? This horrendous accusation and terribly tyranical judgment makes even us ISTPs as the toughest of all the personality types shake in extreme pain!

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenfairy View Post
    Really? Me too! But the collective consensus is that I am INFP; so that reasoning alone isn't good enough. Show us your Ti! Put your money where your mouth is.
    I changed back to isfp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaptorWizard View Post
    This is absolutely humiliating that someone even has the very thought that ISFP could look like ISTP as they are way totally different since ISFPs are Fi slaves and ISTPs are Ti Masters!
    Watch out for the revolt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giggly View Post
    Watch out for the revolt.
    You are seeing this from a different point of view. By Fi slaves I meant people who are controlled by the strings of their passions and by Ti masters I meant people who have honed the powers of their mind to the extent that the heavens tremble by the mere sound of their voice.

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    I have observed that it is far more common for feelers to think they are thinkers than vice versa so it logically follows that wolfy should be an ISFP but of course I could be wrong.

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