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    Quote Originally Posted by Halla74 View Post
    I call B.S. on this.
    I'm the ESTP posterchild and I eat my body weight in eggs every year.
    I was kidding. it stems from the fact that the ESTPs I know IRL tend to not like eggs. do you really think I'd jump to conclusions like that based on something that trivial.
    In no likes experiment.

    that is all

    i dunno what else to say so

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    Looks to me like you're still kiwi.

    But, anyway, wolfy's always been my forum twin, so does this mean I am ISTP also??????!!!!!11
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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfy View Post
    I am afraid.
    Go kick that fear right in the ass!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfy View Post
    I am changing to istp for the reasons listed below...

    I relate to istp.
    I want to see who will say no way.
    The person you're looking for is me.

    Linda Berens has used her Interaction Styles model to type thousands of people over several decades without even having to take the MBTI, or to find a better-fit type for people who have taken the MBTI, but remain conflicted. Knowing her model as well as I do, I could ask her," Hey Linda! Ever see an ISTP who has an informing style of communication, rather than directing?" Her answer would be, "No." And the reason is simple - using the model, SFPs and STPs have opposing styles of communication.

    Here are your own words from another thread you started:

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfy
    I have a strong informing style at work, directing doesn't come naturally to me but I can do it.
    Quote Originally Posted by wolfy
    Yeah, informing really fits.
    Using communication styles, alone, I would never categorize the words in those quotes as ISTP. But let's compare Directing vs Informing. There's more to it than meets the eye.

    Directing:

    Focus on: Task/Time focus
    Intent: Give structure, direct.
    Behavior: Tell, ask, urge.
    Comfort Zone: Comfortable telling people what to do.

    Tendencies:

    • Impatient with emergent process.
    • Often surprised when people resist in being told what to do.
    • May get frustrated by a lack of clear position.
    • Tend to act certain they are right.
    • May be seen as bossy.


    • More forceful voice to create urgency.
    • Often more straightforward statements.
    • Moving forward, definite.



    Informing:

    Focus on: Process/motivation focus
    Intent: Evoke, inspire, seek input.
    Behavior: Inform, inquire, explain, describe
    Comfort zone: Giving information, and less comfortable telling people what to do.

    Tendencies:

    • More patient with emergent process.
    • Often surprised when information isn't acted on.
    • May be offended at being told what to do.
    • More likely to be seen as non-commital.
    • May be seen as indecisive.


    • More tentative tone of voice to invite agreement.
    • Often more subtle statements.
    • Flowing, open, eliciting.


    Moving on, here are more of your statements:

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfy
    I have some traits of Get-Things-Going, Behind-the-Scenes and Chart-the-Course but Get Things Going would probably be my preferred role. Ideas man, throw seeds out, run a short project, hype everyone up, a big show, that seems to be my style.
    That is not the Directing, Chart-The-Course, style of an ISTP.
    It's the Informing, Get-Things-Going, style of an ESFP.

    ESTP/ISTP have a directing communication style.
    ESFP/ISFP have an informing communication style.

    ESFP = Get-Things-Going
    ISFP = Behind-the-Scenes
    ESTP = In-Charge
    ISTP = Chart-the-Course

    Descriptions are here:
    http://www.interactionstyles.com/

    If I put all that aside, I could say: "Hey wolfy - be whatever the fuck you want to be! Rock on!"
    However, the models are not something I ignore.

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfy
    Plus, I just felt like it.
    The above words speak volumes.

    To be frank, when I read your comment, "Plus, I just felt like it." I wondered if you are screwing with people as an experiment. Lol. Regardless, my comments stand. Using Berens' model, your own preferences are consistent with ESFP.

    Models exist for a reason - they're not designed to categorize types "just because they feel like it."

    Cheers, buddy.

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    haven't had time to look at jag's stuff but (will later), I usually get on pretty-well with esfp's. haven't taken the time to figure out why yet...... that may be why I saw myself in you, wolfy. there may be something to this....... maybe there's something very comforting about just living and having fun with no care in the world wth ti wants to do hahaha.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    The person you're looking for is me.

    Linda Berens has used her Interaction Styles model to type thousands of people over several decades without even having to take the MBTI, or to find a better-fit type for people who have taken the MBTI, but remain conflicted. Knowing her model as well as I do, I could ask her," Hey Linda! Ever see an ISTP who has an informing style of communication, rather than directing?" Her answer would be, "No." And the reason is simple - using the model, SFPs and STPs have opposing styles of communication.

    Here are your own words from another thread you started:




    Using communication styles, alone, I would never categorize the words in those quotes as ISTP. But let's compare Directing vs Informing. There's more to it than meets the eye.

    Directing:

    Focus on: Task/Time focus
    Intent: Give structure, direct.
    Behavior: Tell, ask, urge.
    Comfort Zone: Comfortable telling people what to do.

    Tendencies:

    • Impatient with emergent process.
    • Often surprised when people resist in being told what to do.
    • May get frustrated by a lack of clear position.
    • Tend to act certain they are right.
    • May be seen as bossy.


    • More forceful voice to create urgency.
    • Often more straightforward statements.
    • Moving forward, definite.



    Does that sound like you? I certainly know what I think, but let's move on.

    Informing:

    Focus on: Process/motivation focus
    Intent: Evoke, inspire, seek input.
    Behavior: Inform, inquire, explain, describe
    Comfort zone: Giving information, and less comfortable telling people what to do.

    Tendencies:

    • More patient with emergent process.
    • Often surprised when information isn't acted on.
    • May be offended at being told what to do.
    • More likely to be seen as non-commital.
    • May be seen as indecisive.


    • More tentative tone of voice to invite agreement.
    • Often more subtle statements.
    • Flowing, open, eliciting.


    Moving on, here are more of your statements:



    That is not the Directing, Chart-The-Course, style of an ISTP.
    It's the Informing, Get-Things-Going, style of an ESFP.

    ESTP/ISTP have a directing communication style.
    ESFP/ISFP have an informing communication style.

    ESFP = Get-Things-Going
    ISFP = Behind-the-Scenes
    ESTP = In-Charge
    ISTP = Chart-the-Course

    Descriptions are here:
    http://www.interactionstyles.com/

    If I put all that aside, I could say: "Hey wolfy - be whatever the fuck you want to be! Rock on!"
    However, the models are not something I will ignore for you.



    The above words speak volumes.

    To be frank, when I read your comment, "Plus, I just felt like it." I wondered if you are screwing with people as an experiment. Lol. Regardless, my comments stand. Using Berens' model, your own preferences are consistent with ESFP.

    Models exist for a reason - they're not designed to categorize types "just because they feel like it."

    Cheers, buddy.
    That is all true, actually. And using my own words against me, tricky. But yeah, I have to say I relate so strongly to informing it isn't funny. I throw the directing types out by throwing new ideas out mid process. To me that is just natural process.

    I admit to relating most strongly to esfp in Thompson's book too. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffster View Post
    Looks to me like you're still kiwi.

    But, anyway, wolfy's always been my forum twin, so does this mean I am ISTP also??????!!!!!11
    Yeah, that is what it means. But, stay tuned, you might be esfp.


    Quote Originally Posted by prplchknz View Post
    I was kidding. it stems from the fact that the ESTPs I know IRL tend to not like eggs. do you really think I'd jump to conclusions like that based on something that trivial.
    Never mess with egg love.

    Quote Originally Posted by ICUP View Post
    haven't had time to look at jag's stuff but (will later), I usually get on pretty-well with esfp's. haven't taken the time to figure out why yet...... that may be why I saw myself in you, wolfy. there may be something to this....... maybe there's something very comforting about just living and having fun with no care in the world wth ti wants to do hahaha.


    time for black friday madness! Se joy! ESFP's make it more fun!
    It is interesting. And I do find you easy to communicate with. When we talked we were both straight and direct but your style didn't get on my nerves like some can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffster View Post
    Looks to me like you're still kiwi.
    And Kiwi, I'm not changing that in a hurry...

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    One more thing, my friends at work think I am esfp. The people at work not my friend I didn't bother to ask, I don't want to ask...

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    FAIL.
    If you want to be annoying you have to be some flavour of J.
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