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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    ISTPs annoy the shit out of me.
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    Doing my own thing is not Fi. It could be anything, but as far as this context goes, it's introverted judging, in general. Ti is not going to be any more systematic or assessing things from an objective p.o.v. any more than Fi. Just a cursory glance out of some books would say as much.

    "This is one reason ITPs are so challenging to their left brain counterparts, the Extraverted Thinkers. ETJS make a firm split between observer and observed. They set objective goals and will sacrifice their own needs to bring them about. ITPs will do the inverse. They'll sacrifice objective considerations for the sake of a project or experience that "feels" right to them. The resulting behavior looks impulsive and may even be destructive. But the ITP's decision making process is simply not objective.

    ITPs are, of course, capable of formulating a plan and taking steps to reach a goal, but this is not their primary response to reality. They don't fully recognize outward needs, or their responsibility to others, unless they cultivate their secondary function (Se or Ne) well enough to value experience more than its subjective appeal. Until they manage this, they can be naive and careless about the Extraverted choices they make - particularly in the area of relationships.

    [..] Introverted Thinking always involves perceptual skills, and using it may not feel like "being reasonable". In fact, when Introverted Thinking is combined with Extraverted Sensation, as it is for ISTPs, it feels a lot like instinct.

    Lenore Thomson/Personality Types 292-293

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post

    #1 reason you're an ISFP and not an ISTP: ISTPs annoy the shit out of me.
    Subjective nonsense, and you know it.

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    Looking at that table again just makes me that much more certain I think Socionics should be thrown out.

    INTJs as ENTJs or ESTPs?


    WTF?
    Just... useless data...

    Socionics just seems like garbage that mucks things up unnecessarily...
    Just because you don't like Socionics doesn't mean it should be thrown out.
    It's not a WTF if you understand that it's merely looking at something in a different way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ICUP View Post
    I U 2.


    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    Doing my own thing is not Fi. It could be anything, but as far as this context goes, it's introverted judging, in general. Ti is not going to be any more systematic or assessing things from an objective p.o.v. any more than Fi. Just a cursory glance out of some books would say as much.
    Yeah, but I don't buy Lenore's bullshit.

    I don't think Ti is right-brained.

    While I agree that marching to the beat of your own drum is certainly Ji'esque, there's still a point to what I said.

    It's that nothing about what you said there sounded like it wasn't necessarily coming from an ISFP.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    Subjective nonsense...
    You can say that about anything, so big whoop.

    It's true, though, that ISTPs, my entire life, have tended to annoy the shit out of me.

    It's also true that ISFPs haven't so much; I get a different vibe from them.

    KDude's vibe, in my opinion, is much more that of an ISFP.

    Call it subjective or whatever; if it's right, it's right.

    Everything else is just rationalization.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    ...and you know it.
    Well, yeah, it was a half joke.

    I figured that was obvious.

    Apparently not.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    Maybe you're ENFP.
    I don't really see how that's relevant, but feel free to think what you want.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    Do you look like this on your little yoga mat?
    Well, for starters, my yoga mat's not little.

    And no, I don't look like the tritest forum image there is.

    Real original there, Jag. Bravo. You're such a wit.

    Should I bust out an old joke now?

    It's a bit more like this:


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    I think these ISTPs Z doesn't like are those egghead ones, that come off real interrogative and constantly promote their sense of structure and reality. I don't think they're ISTPs though.

    At least, those are the ones I don't like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    I think these ISTPs Z doesn't like are those egghead ones, that come off real interrogative and constantly promote their sense of structure and reality. I don't think they're ISTPs though.

    At least, those are the ones I don't like.
    That's certainly one of the archetypes.

    What do you think they are then?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    Just because you don't like Socionics doesn't mean it should be thrown out.
    It's not a WTF if you understand that it's merely looking at something in a different way.
    To respond to this stuff you added after the fact:

    I've said the same thing to other people.

    I don't throw it out entirely.

    It's just, when people start saying FiSe in MBTI become SiFe in Socionics, it makes it seem retarded.

    I've actually found a lot of value in some of the Ni descriptions.

    I find it very odd that the J/P switch supposedly "only works" for INTJs and INTPs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post

    You can say that about anything, so big whoop.
    I'll remember you said that the next time you tell someone you're going to "shit" on their posts if they're not " the truth."
    [ Translated: THE TRUTH is Z's personal opinion.]

    It's true, though, that ISTPs, my entire life, have tended to annoy the shit out of me.
    And they all self-validated their type and ran up to you proclaiming: "I'm ISTP!"

    Real original there, Jag. Bravo. You're such a wit.
    I know this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    That's certainly one of the archetypes.

    What do you think they are then?
    This kind of goes back to what I saying about Myers changing things up.

    I wouldn't doubt that these are actually the true Ti dominants in the Jungian sense. They resembles his Rational types. But MBTI ISTPs are Irrationals.. Percievers. Whether it's Myers writing about them, or Thomson above. Thomson isn't writing "bullshit" so much as following Myers' system.

    Myers incorporated the auxiliary more into how the "whole" type was presented (in her eyes) - but the Rational/Irrational distinctions change because of this, even while she uses the same functions as Jung. So I think these Jungian Ti doms and Si doms would probably end up being ISTJ and ISTP (respectively) in MBTI.

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    You've definitely incited the people, @wolfy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    It's true, though, that ISTPs, my entire life, have tended to annoy the shit out of me.
    It's probably because you were so much fun to annoy.


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    I know this.
    I think you should change your type to HOT.

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