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    Fair enough.


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    Sigh.

    You know, I try to be that Fi dom you think I am, but I suck at it. I even signed up at a homeless shelter once.. first week I beat up a drunk, and then quit because the old man driving me was a stroke victim and pissed me off. No doubt, I'd be dead, if I was a Fi dom. I would have given in and been nice.. grinned and beared it. And then one day, his hands would shake a bit too much, and we'd veer off an overpass.

    So in a way, being an asshole has it's benefits.

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    I just don't think I make the mistake of thinking Fi dom = nice.

    As I said before, the biggest cunt I've ever known is an ISFP.

    I think Fi can be completely fucked up.

    It's selfishness incarnate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    See, this just doesn't seem like a very big issue to me.

    Whenever you talk about it as if it is, I kinda just scratch my head.

    To me, I see the J/P notational difference of Socionics as very meaningful.

    But I also think the J/P notational method of MBTI is meaningful as well.
    Although I realize a reply to you is pointless -

    The J/P notational method in both systems is meaningless. It is merely a method for determining function order. A method in itself has no meaning. If you want to know the meaning of the J/P distinction, consider them as depicting a certain lifestyle: spontaneous vs. controlled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    Although I realize a reply to you is pointless -
    Interesting thing to say, seeing as how many people on this board feel that way about you.

    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    The J/P notational method in both systems is meaningless.
    Actually, it's not.

    You just don't know the meaning.

    As demonstrated by:

    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    It is merely a method for determining function order.
    Wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    If you want to know the meaning of the J/P distinction, consider them as depicting a certain lifestyle: spontaneous vs. controlled.
    And wrong.

    For someone with such a crude understanding of typology, you really shouldn't be "correcting" me.

    Please don't make yourself look any dumber by "debating" these points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Interesting thing to say, seeing as how many people on this board feel that way about you.



    Actually, no it's not.

    You just don't know the meaning.

    As demonstrated by:



    Wrong.



    And wrong.

    For someone with such a crude understanding of typology, you really shouldn't be "correcting" me.
    The emptiness of your response is the most telling here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    The emptiness of your response is the most telling here.

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    Wolfy seems like a badass SP. Don't go over to the N darkside, please? LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    I just don't think I make the mistake of thinking Fi dom = nice.

    As I said before, the biggest cunt I've ever known is an ISFP.

    I think Fi can be completely fucked up.

    It's selfishness incarnate.
    I don't think so. Fi operates on values. And even though it is introverted values, it probably makes an easier connection to people from drawing upon it's own values. Not connection in the Fe sense, but in a more vague sense of harmony or humanity. Whatever it is, it's probably more common that they're "nice". Lets say this friend of yours is an asshole though. What does he actually do? I want to hear stories now.

    Besides all of that, I'm not "completely fucked up". This isn't what I'm trying to convey exactly. I just think I rely on a kind of a situational logic (rather than values), that indirectly has made me an asshole at times. Sometimes I simply deal with something as it unfolds, and make choices that preserve "me". It's not always overt asshole-ishness. I just do my own thing.

    I've incorporated other people more, but I doubt it's lives up to Fi. ...Especially not as a dominant function. If I go back far enough, I barely incorporated common decency. I remember not even "allocating" enough for my own family. I used to steal from my mom, who'd come home after a hard day at work, and leave her tip money on the table. I was elementary age when I was doing this - not some dysfunctional teen who needed pot money. It was relatively innocent.. in it's own way... I would use that money to lure older kids who had badass bikes, and ask them if I could ride for awhile (if I paid them).

    Btw, the hipster thing really needs to go. I thank God I was never a complete dumbass, and survived, but a lot of my choices and "circles" I'm trying to allude were not even close to "hipster". Not even asshole-ish drama queen hipsters. I think I already had at least 10 dead friends by the time I was 18. One literally executed on his knees. This wasn't the "art club". You got the wrong idea. I mean, I've always been an artist, but that's always been in private.

    lmao.. why am I even telling you this? I should call you Dr. Phil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    I don't think so. Fi operates on values. And even though it is introverted values, it probably makes an easier connection to people from drawing upon it's own values. Not connection in the Fe sense, but in a more vague sense of harmony or humanity. Whatever it is, it's probably more common that they're "nice".
    I once again point to what Jung said about them in the bolded above.

    They just do what they feel like.

    If there Fi isn't telling them to care, then they won't.

    A lot of times, this makes them seem rather callous and dickish.

    Think Eminem, Trent Reznor, David Bowie.

    I believe a boyfriend of a longtime friend of mine (like 20 yrs) is an ISFP.

    She's an INFP, and I think he's either INFP or ISFP, probably ISFP.

    Often times, when I'm around him, I get a feeling of, "god damn, this guy could really give a shit if I exist".

    Hung out with him 10-20 times, am one of his girlfriend's best lifelong friends, and still get this feeling every time.

    It's the self-absorption of an Fi-dom: they're doing their own thing, damn the external world around them.

    Then, with ISFPs, this contrasts with their Se in a really interesting way, cuz Se is just so different.

    For example...

    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    Lets say this friend of yours is an asshole though. What does he actually do? I want to hear stories now.
    ...the cuntish ISFP I know (who is not my friend of mine by any means), is totally absorbed in her own world (like, this is not me saying this, this is her friends and family complaining about this -- she never seems like she's really paying much attention to what's going on around her, always off somewhere in her head but nobody knows where or why, just never really "there"), but then is a completely superficial fashion snob (she's a successful stylist), was really good at sports when she was younger, and used to have a severe drug problem. There are a lot of specific little things I could go into, but let's just say... let's just say she's a cunt.

    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    Besides all of that, I'm not "completely fucked up". This isn't what I'm trying to convey exactly.
    I wasn't trying to say you are.

    I was just trying to say that you seem to have this very noble view of Fi, and I don't think Fi fits that bill.

    Fi can cause one to be absolutely callous, rude, fucked up, nasty, and selfish.

    As such, if your being a callous asshole in the past is your rationale for why you're not an ISFP, I don't think it's a very good one.

    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    I just do my own thing.
    Says the Fi dom, as he should.

    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    I've incorporated other people more, but I doubt it's lives up to Fi.
    Once again, I think you have a mistaken view that Fi is something to be "lived up to".

    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    Btw, the hipster thing really needs to go.


    Ok, gone.

    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    lmao.. why am I even telling you this? I should call you Dr. Phil.
    Hey, I'm no fucking ESTJ!

    And you are because we get along, because you're an ISFP.

    #1 reason you're an ISFP and not an ISTP: ISTPs annoy the shit out of me.

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