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    Wow, that really SUCKS. I hope you can sort it out. Who has $4000 just sitting around???
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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    im glad i dont live in USA. the bill would had been more like 50€ here in public hospital(because its founded by government) and if you dont have a job you dont have to pay anything. this whole getting in financial trouble because of health issues sounds like some 3rd world country thing lol.
    What's your wait time like for medical tests like an MRI, etc? Just curious. And it is all subsidized through the tax burden, and can you choose your docs or are they assigned to you?

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    Wow, that really SUCKS. I hope you can sort it out. Who has $4000 just sitting around???
    The kind of people who pay 35% in income tax, I suppose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    What's your wait time like for medical tests like an MRI, etc? Just curious. And it is all subsidized through the tax burden, and can you choose your docs or are they assigned to you?
    waiting time depends how urgent it is and if the waiting time is too long and you need to get the mri faster, you are assigned to private sector hospital, but it doesent cost you any more.

    we have these health care centers that only deal with patients that cant wait in line. for example i had tooth ake that i couldnt had dealth for week or two(wait in line for treatment). so i went there and only had to wait for about 1-2 hours to get to dentist. they examined the tooth, saw that i need root canal treatment, so they drilled it, injected antibiotics, put a temporary fill in it and gave me a new time in private dental hospital about week later(waiting line was too long for this type of treatment for public sector) and they continued the treatment till end(few times root canal treatments) and i just paid what it costs in public sector. each visit was 17-30€ from which i didnt have to pay anything because i didnt have a job. if i had a job id only have to pay that 17-30€ per treatment.
    kids under 18(or their parents) doesent have to pay anything for dental service and they get time for dentist automatically for dental check every second year, and ofc can get a check more often if they wish.

    yes its all paid from taxes(we dont use the tax money for wars or much on other evil/useless things.

    choosing a doctor isnt all that simple thing. when it comes to our local health care center, we have a doctor who we visit everytime and you can change the doctor if you want to(or go to other health care center outside your area which has a doctor you want). but when it comes to other doctors they send you to(like skin care specialist), those you cant choose, except you decide to go to private sector and pay high prices for treatment.

    some treatments like psychological counseling you can choose from private sector doctors, but the treatment must be accepted by public sector. for example you might not get some laugh terapy paid by government. you first need to visit your own doctor and tell him about your depression etc. and he will send you to some random psychologist and he will see if you need to see psychoanalyst, psychiatrist or if whats wrong with you can be treated in other ways. naturally you can tell him your opinions on whether you want to get better with pills(psychiatrist) or want to actually process and get over of your problems(therapy).
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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    im glad i dont live in USA. the bill would had been more like 50€ here in public hospital(because its founded by government) and if you dont have a job you dont have to pay anything. this whole getting in financial trouble because of health issues sounds like some 3rd world country thing lol.

    if you would get like 10000 bill from hospital because your life was in danger due to acute medical condition and you were broke as fuck(barely can afford food and rent an apartment) and end up not paying the bill, could you go to jail for this?
    Your ideas about American hospitals are skewed by a great deal of anti-American disinformation and propaganda.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    Your ideas about American hospitals are skewed by a great deal of anti-American disinformation and propaganda.
    my ideas come from op having to pay shit loads for a lousy mri lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    Your ideas about American hospitals are skewed by a great deal of anti-American disinformation and propaganda.
    I currently live in the US, I'm from Canada, and I've also lived in Australia. The American health care system really is ridiculous. I have no anti-American sentiment, it's just the cold hard truth. I'm glad y'all think it's the best thing in the world and that you're getting what you're paying for anyway, though.

    There has to be a way to allow for the leading edge research without all the other ridiculous things that go on. I haven't studied it so I don't know the solution, but you really do get less than you pay for here. I was shocked when I had an MRI and saw that they sent a bill to my health insurance for $6,000 back in 2003. My doctor had no idea, and recommended I get another MRI to double check the first one. Even though my insurance covered it, I felt bad contributing to the problem of sky-rocketing health care costs, so I refused to get a second MRI.

    I'll bet making the MRI process more efficient could make some significant improvements in reducing health care costs. The way it is now, there's no line up for MRIs. You might be one of only a few patients that day, and those machines costs millions. And since the doctor has no idea and neither does the patient, there's nothing to stop the MRI operators from being as inefficient as they want and charging as much as they want. There are no market forces there to keep the costs down. The prices rise like a helium balloon released to the sky.

    I'm no health care expert, but pinpointing that as one of the key problems seems like a no-brainer to me.

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    Even when considering it is private care, the true cost of MRI and a few doctor appointments is more like a third of the $4000 bill.
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    nope medical care in the U.S. is expensive some people end up in the poor house because of it. I'm about to be kicked off my parents insurance and I have some medical things that I don't know what I'm going to do. Move to canada?
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    I agree the cost should be a fraction of the $4,000 bill, probably even less than a third of that if they work on making it an efficient system.

    I've heard that in the UK, they charge the equivalent of about $600 - 800 for an MRI, but that's a different system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prplchknz View Post
    nope medical care in the U.S. is expensive some people end up in the poor house because of it. I'm about to be kicked off my parents insurance and I have some medical things that I don't know what I'm going to do. Move to canada?
    Hm, maybe.... I don't think you can just go there unless you have close family members from there, though.

    Are you out of school? You might be able to get a job and a TN working visa there through NAFTA....

    (Now my Canadian homies are gonna hate me for causing the rise of Canadian health care costs from Americans coming over.... )

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