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    Quote Originally Posted by Seymour View Post
    UPDATE: after googling around a bit (only this forum could make me google for lingerie), I think it's the combination of the appearance of no make-up, the non-hair-do, and the pose all suggesting a lack of maturity. Other ads seem to hint at sophistication and knowingness on the part of the women. Most feature more visible make-up, expensive jewelry, elaborate hair-dos, provocative poses and/or high end settings. I couldn't find a single one that hit all the notes of the Aerie ad. So... that's enough explanation for me, even if it doesn't skeeve others out.
    Flip side to this: http://www.styleite.com/media/french...-girls-photos/

    NOW what seems screwed up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 93JC View Post
    Flip side to this: http://www.styleite.com/media/french...-girls-photos/

    NOW what seems screwed up?
    BLECH! That's even worse!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Kross View Post
    Also there can be an element of insecurity and attention seeking in it
    That's the only thing I find to criticize about the behavior. Sure, it can be a impractical (in a "you gon get raped" sort of way), but I don't like taking that approach because (1) taken to its logical conclusion, it becomes blaming the victim, and (2) it would be like plucking the leaves to get rid of a tree.

    Though, in many cases, it could be criticized as gauche and lacking in taste. In a purely aesthetic sense.
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    i just think they have bad style.
    and no sense of occasion.
    it's terribly boring.
    every normal man must be tempted, at times,
    to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag,
    and begin slitting throats.
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    Someone on my facebook posted a story about a woman who's 5-10 year old son wore womens' clothing for a Halloween church event. Reactions were almost universally "appauled".

    My reason for mentioning this is because I would anticipate many parents defending their childrens' right to wear clothing the children want to wear. Only because the child wants to wear them; it seems to be the chief principle. Though they try to avoid imposing their values on their children, I feel they still live vicariously through them in a contradictory way. Frankly, it's a bit dishonest trying to one-up those who you think are holier-than-thou.

    Parents should set reasonable standards for how their kids dress. No, it won't prevent their children from weaseling around while their parents aren't there, but that's not the point. The point is to be a parent.

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    I never appreciated what a prude my grandfather was until I was a grown woman and men wouldn't leave me alone when I finally got to wear mini-dresses with platform shoes.

    The problem isn't the girl. It's the people who will victimize her and make her into a sex object before she's mature enough to psychologically deal with it.

    Females should have more of a sense of worth than just their sexuality. I never really got that was what my grandfather was trying to do when he buried me under a pile of books and told me to wear a one piece bathing suit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swordpath View Post
    Wait until you catch a guy taking a second glance at your 14 year old daughter and see if you feel differently then.
    Yeah I remember one time I was on Fort Bragg when my uncle was stationed there. I was about thirteen and my grandfathers wife noticed that a man could look up my shorts the way I was sitting. It totally fucking creeped me out, it was my first experience of being conscious that could even happen.

    Another time when I was about sixteen a toothless carnie hit on me at the town fair.

    I agree with Gingko that a parents first job is to be a parent. It's not always good to mindlessly give into your wants, and it's also important to build other aspects of your character and intellect outside of how attractive you are to the opposite sex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seymour View Post
    I find this ad (posted poster-sized at a local mall near work) to be borderline pedophilia:



    Am I being oversensitive to be weirded out by that?

    EDIT: part of my being disturbed is that the ad is targeting 15 year olds (at the low end). and I'm old enough to find the thought of marketing push-up bras to 15 year olds disturbing. Plus, having a poster-sized ad in the middle of the mall seems a little pornographic to me. I guess I'd feel the similarly about a full-sized A&F boy ad in the food court, too. Maybe it's just the tackiness.
    No that's a girl in her late teens or early twenties who is slender... this is borderline pedophilia, even though she's reasonably covered.



    It makes me think of Jon Benet-Ramsey and all those little pageant girls with botox.

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    I'll just say right now that I'm 17 years old (legal in my state btw but some would still consider it a "child"), so my post has a different bias.

    Just wearing a skirt when walking to a corner store with a friend has gotten me honks from five or six cars passing by, no joke. To say that skin attracts attention is an understatement. I know the implications, but I can't say that of every girl. Hell, my friend who was walking with me, one year my junior, didn't understand it.

    Quote Originally Posted by 93JC View Post
    Why do teenage girls sometimes dress 'inappropriately'? They haven't fully grasped the social cues that their clothing exude. Appearing 'slutty' at that age is, in my mind, an exercise in experiential learning.
    It's hard to draw the line, though. For a teenage girl to post pictures of herself in booby shirts and short shorts is the norm. Posting pictures to get as many guys as possible to press the "like" button and people to compliment her are the norm, which reinforces validation from male attention. It's not the sluttiness that bothers me here, but the girl's priorities.

    Bra-and-panty pictures posted online and nudes in "private" aren't that uncommon, either, and that's the part that really concerns me. They can learn from trial and error, yeah, but racy pictures sent digitally are risky business. Once someone else has the file, what happens to it is out of her control, even after she realizes what it could mean for her reputation or even career.

    So if I saw a preteen or teen dressing, in my eyes, "slutty" consistently, I really would wonder what the parents' role is. It's impossible to avoid sex on the internet, the media, etc., but to PARENT means to step in, gauge the adolescent's maturity on an individual level, and assess, "Does my child understand WHY she wants wear/do what she wants?" Yeah, it's the child's prerogative what she wears to some extent, but it's BECAUSE she doesn't understand the social cues that makes it an issue.

    To be clear, though, I don't think wearing skimpy clothing is BAD. It's just that there's a difference between showing off your body because you're comfortable doing so and you're proud of it FOR YOURSELF, and showing it off because you OTHER PEOPLE to look at you because you need men to boost low self-esteem. Worst-case scenario, you don't freaking get it and you're unaware what's going on. There's admittedly a fine line and one can't always tell when judging others.
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