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    Quote Originally Posted by cascadeco View Post
    Well yeah, there are distinctions, and it's true that there are certain types who gravitate more towards the actual classification/study aspect, vs. other types that gravitate towards working with their hands, in the soil, or with the animals, etc, and still others who are more holistic and looking at the ecosystem as a whole (meteorology, ecology)... definitely different branches.
    Both types love nature, and will appreciate it from differing perspectives, and you could make a great argument either way. I would suggest the NF idylic would love nature from a more ideological sense, ie, environmentalism, sustainability, preservation, etc, NT from a more scientific sense and S types would love nature from a natural interactive sense, a oneness with the environment and a sensory fulfillment right across the board with nature scoring higher for more of them than for N's. Absolutely not a hard and fast S only, more like a soft s. A lot of this depends upon interest, and I think the interest to be amongst the outdoors lends itself easier for an S in the sheer natural sensory enjoyment of it, than it does for the N, but like I said, you've made great points, and could formulate a great argument either way.
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    Btw, I thought naturalistic intelligence was more about being able to grow plants, liking to take care of them etc (like those people who have beautiful gardens). Because I absolutely love being out in the nature and can recognize animals, but I totally suck at doing gardening stuff.
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    Hmm, then I would have a high naturalistic intelligence. I have the green thumb
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    Quote Originally Posted by paisley1 View Post
    I absolutely agree with this, and I'm saying that INTP's are the best at it.

    Are you asserting that you can only be good at spatial visualization if you're a sensor? That's just not the case.
    The phrase "Architect" in reference to INTPs is really more of a phrase coined to symbolize how they organize models and systems. (hint hint, blueprint)

    And, even if all INTPs have a preference for "crafting 'n shit" (which I doubt, whether it be a natural preference or a consciously developed preference), that wouldn't carry over into their abilities.

    I don't know where you're coming up with this.

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    That's exactly what I said a few pages back - before it derailed into a satirical chat about wine - but to no avail.
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    Intrapersonal then logical then naturalist for me, according to the results in my signature.

    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    Btw, I thought naturalistic intelligence was more about being able to grow plants, liking to take care of them etc (like those people who have beautiful gardens). Because I absolutely love being out in the nature and can recognize animals, but I totally suck at doing gardening stuff.

    Same, I love nature and animals, but the one and only plant I got in my living room is dying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ginkgo View Post
    The phrase "Architect" in reference to INTPs is really more of a phrase coined to symbolize how they organize models and systems. (hint hint, blueprint)

    And, even if all INTPs have a preference for "crafting 'n shit" (which I doubt, whether it be a natural preference or a consciously developed preference), that wouldn't carry over into their abilities.

    I don't know where you're coming up with this.
    The term architect doesn't mean "becoming an architect as a profession" in the noun sense, although INTP's do make great architects, it is the ability to "come up with" or "architect" something, in the minds eye, as in the verb sense of the word architect, that speaks to their ability to have great spatial intelligence. It is the INTP's ability to organize models and systems with such precision and detail, that speaks to their facility with spatial intelligence, if they so choose to attend to it. It is their attention and precision to minute details and natural career choices that use spatial intelligence regularly that suggests to me they have a ease for it. Spatial ability is also the more abstract intelligence of a chess master, a battle commander, or a theoretical physicist, as well as the familiar ability to recognize objects, faces, and details. A spatial intelligence can be well developed in any type that focuses on developing it.

    Can we have a discussion on spatial intelligence?

    Here is the definition of Spatial intelligence:

    Spatial intelligence is the ability to comprehend three-dimensional images and shapes. It involves interpreting dimensions of space that cannot be seen. Visual spatial intelligence activities include putting together a puzzle or sculpture. This type of intelligence stems from the right side of the brain, and injuries or strokes to this part of the brain may diminish its ability to identify where a person is. Although they can still see the person because vision is usually not impeded, the person's location in space is blurred because of the brain’s blockage of spatial intelligence. Visual-spatial intelligence is typically studied together with sight, although the determination of spatial ability and visual acuity are very different. For example, a blind person can still identify a shape, despite an inability to see it. Although there is a connection between visual and spatial intelligence, each is an independent component of a person’s intellect. Spatial intelligences rely largely on people’s abilities to picture the shapes and spaces of objects in their minds; it is the ability to retain the form of something in the mind’s eye. This type of thinking allows somebody to know where he or she is in space and to picture the world. It also comes in handy for navigation, as sailors with compasses must use spatial intelligence to navigate the seas by following the stars and sun. A person who has an easy time picturing the world from an observer’s viewpoint—who perhaps even does it often without thinking—will have higher spatial intelligence than someone who finds it difficult to think about life this way. The highest visual spatial intelligences result from unique abilities to take up different positions in the mind’s eye, such as a fly on the wall or a person standing behind a curtain. Those who have high spatial intelligences usually do best in arts or science fields. Artists, architects, physicists, navigators, chess players, designers and filmmakers are some careers that those with high spatial intelligences are often drawn to and excel at. Those who have high spatial intelligences are likely to enjoy art, navigate and read maps well, imagine things very vividly, use metaphors, talk fast and look at the big picture. These people are often referred to as visual learners, and they often possess photographic memories, retaining images more easily than words. They think in pictures and prefer to have video accompaniment to any verbal instruction. A spatial intelligence test can be taken to determine individual strength in this area. Multiple activities can be performed to strengthen this type of intelligence, including mind-mapping, visualization scenarios, creating and watching videos, using computer graphics, posters, flash cards and symbols, doodling, making diagrams and maps, taking photographs, estimating distances and visualizing structures.

    Spatial intelligence is a right brain function:

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    The widely acknowledged partitioning of mind between the left and right hemispheres of the brain has led to the association of language and analytical skills with the left hemisphere, and spatial reckoning (and some say creativity) with the right hemisphere. Visuo-spatial ability is nearly always a right brain function, Levy 1968 considers this the case in 96% of cases. Gaughran also considers brain laterality as a major factor in visual giftedness and in performance at spatial tasks. Lesions to the right parietal regions of the brain cause difficulties in visual attention, spatial representation and orientation, imagery production and memory. Map reading, transformation of visual arrays, navigation around an unfamiliar space are just some of the many tasks which are beyond the spatially impaired brain. Suffers display the phenomena of neglecting the left half of their surrounding space and the inability to recognise even familiar objects viewed from unusual perspectives. As a result of extensive study in this field it has been firmly established that the right hemisphere and in particular the parietal lobe are concerned with spatial activity. Other areas of the human brain which are called upon during spatial tasks include the frontal lobes which are considered as crucial for remembering a spatial location. In a region in the middle of the frontal cortex (Brodmann's area 46 in the illustration), scientists hypothesised that they would find the human spatial working memory circuits (just in front of an area specialised for controlling eye movements (frontal eye field). They knew from brain imaging studies that this circuitry had evolved into a higher and more rearward location in the human frontal cortex. A region in the lower left frontal cortex (area 47 in the illustration) showed sustained activation during pauses in working memory tasks, thus clearly differentiating itself from the spatial working memory area. The discovery ends a search that had puzzled neuroscientists for most of the past decade.

    In what ways are you guys gifted with spatial intelligence?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffywolf View Post
    Same, I love nature and animals, but the one and only plant I got in my living room is dying.
    I've never understood how people kill plants, ruin their cooking, or hate animals. It just seems instinctive to me...like what, are you just not paying attention?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    I've never understood how people kill plants, ruin their cooking, or hate animals. It just seems instinctive to me...like what, are you just not paying attention?
    Well, I travel a lot, I just forget its there. It's a palmlike plant thingy though, so it's still alive-ish since it can go quite some time without water, and once in a blue moon it catches my eye and I'm like. OH SHIT WATER! But it has it rough for sure. :P


    I also just about never cook so don't know about that, I'm more of a microwave or eat outdoors person, can't go wrong there! And I should also say I love animals dearly.
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