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    Go make some money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    Go make some money.


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    Quote Originally Posted by EcK View Post
    Keep your hands off my stack.


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    Quote Originally Posted by EcK View Post
    Right. of course.
    Thank you for your input.
    I am not good at reading sarcasam, but given you're nature I'm assuming it is (if not, say so and I'll stand corrected).

    There is very little to read between the lines with me. I mean what I said. Intelligence is inherited, everyone agrees to that. The issue then is of economic background has an effect on ones ability to be successful. It's well regarded and known to be the case. You seem to be ignoring that, or disregarding that unless I am mistaken.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hard View Post
    I am not good at reading sarcasam, but given you're nature I'm assuming it is (if not, say so and I'll stand corrected).

    There is very little to read between the lines with me. I mean what I said. Intelligence is inherited, everyone agrees to that. The issue then is of economic background has an effect on ones ability to be successful. It's well regarded and known to be the case. You seem to be ignoring that, or disregarding that unless I am mistaken.
    Both are true. Never denied it.

    The thing is that some people want to believe that intelligence is somewhat 'as inherited as nurtured' which is not true.
    Most of the studies hinting that completely disregard that a child gets their genes from their parents which, in these bad studies, inflates the role of 'nurture'.

    And of course, one's social background will influence their ability to be successful, I would never dream of denying that.
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    Theory is always superseded by Fact...
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    “I’d hate to die twice. It’s so boring.”
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    "Great is the human who has not lost his childlike heart."
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    I am going to re-frame the argument...

    1) Intelligence is an inherited genetic trait.

    This is the easy one, and it looks like nobody is disputing this. It can be inferred a priori to be true as children are...the product of their parents. The rest of the deterministic argument logically follows from this premise:

    2) If intelligence is heritable, it will be unevenly distributed within the population, and
    3) Differences will be observed at all group levels, from differences between individual families by aggregate up to the societies they compose

    There is obviously variation in average intelligence and you can extrapolate the above from that. The feel I'm getting from this thread is people question whether this affects real-life outcomes and if so, how much.

    Here's the college majors in the U.S. listed by the average IQ of the people who take them:

    IQ Estimates by College Major | Statistic Brain

    What you should notice is that many of the majors at the top are in the STEM group. So, at the very least, having a high IQ seems to help you get good grades in a challenging major, which will set you up for life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EcK View Post
    Both are true. Never denied it.

    The thing is that some people want to believe that intelligence is somewhat 'as inherited as nurtured' which is not true.
    Most of the studies hinting that completely disregard that a child gets their genes from their parents which, in these bad studies, inflates the role of 'nurture'.

    And of course, one's social background will influence their ability to be successful, I would never dream of denying that.
    People who say you're denying the influence of environment when you bring up IQ and heredity are creating a false dichotomy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EcK View Post
    Both are true. Never denied it.
    One can be born with a genius level IQ, no indoor plumbing, dig up potatoes for .10 cents a bushel as a kid, and still end up a multi-millionaire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    One can be born with a genius level IQ, no indoor plumbing, dig up potatoes for .10 cents a bushel as a kid, and still end up a multi-millionaire.
    Also true. What we were discussing however were statistics.
    Expression of the post modern paradox : "For the love of god, religions are so full of shit"

    Theory is always superseded by Fact...
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    Quote Originally Posted by EcK View Post
    Also true. What we were discussing however were statistics.
    I tend to favor truth over lies, and damn lies.

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