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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    rrright, like socialists have anywhere near enough power to be of any consequence. the average income of a capitalist is more than twice that of a socialist. we can pay off many more politicians, lawyers and legislature than you all can at the end of the day, it's a rare individual that can make an actual difference in the world without a fair amount of money
    I'm sorry, you have money? Or you have your parents money?

    Isn't interdependence with your family a form of collectivism? You need to stop that shit. Be an individual.

    Rough it, bro, or I don't want to hear A FUCKING PEEP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    rrright, like socialists have anywhere near enough power to be of any consequence. the average income of a capitalist is more than twice that of a socialist. we can pay off many more politicians, lawyers and legislature than you all can at the end of the day, it's a rare individual that can make an actual difference in the world without a fair amount of money
    Firstly, your stupidity baffles me, as you missed the entire point of me posting that, and secondly, you make it seem as if you are somehow absent from any form of social democratic or collectivist thinking whatsoever, which brings me back to my first point of your stupidity baffling me. *sigh* once again, who wants to chip in on buying this guy a piece of land, we REALLY have incentive now.

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    I've always thought Libertarians should have a chance to have their own country. But a new country. Not here. They need to purchase a small island or something. Then they can deal with the dire consequences which will inevitably occur and leave the rest of us the fuck hell alone.

    I mean, all you have to do is look at what happened in The New Zealand Experiment.

    It's not stupidity, but it is ridiculously idealistic and short-sighted. I pretty much see it as being the mirror image of total communism. It's just as in denial of human nature and reality, and that's why it won't fucking work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    rrright, like socialists have anywhere near enough power to be of any consequence. the average income of a capitalist is more than twice that of a socialist. we can pay off many more politicians, lawyers and legislature than you all can at the end of the day, it's a rare individual that can make an actual difference in the world without a fair amount of money

    If you are so sure that your beliefs are globally correct you should try to debate someone who actually lived a part of his life outside of capitalsm and knows the topic in a much deeper and practical level than people who just read some books and watched TV shows about socialism. (which are huge majority on this site because it is a western/english speaking website)

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    I don't know if Ys are really conformist. Not more conformist than their elder. Xs lived their teenage years between the 70s-90s where adhere to a "tribe" and adopt the specific codes of the group (rocker, rapper, punk, baba cool, fashion, skater, grunge, new-wave, cheerleader, whatever) was the norm. I think the biggest difference is that Xs lived their youth where the dominant generation was the Silent, and were often raised by Silents. While Ys live currently their youth in world where the dominant generation is the "Boomer" one. But in the generation theory,generations are organised in quadrants. Like this:


    Great Power Saeculum (82)
    Missionary Generation - Prophet (Idealist): 1860–1882 (High: Reconstruction/Gilded Age)
    Lost Generation - Nomad (Reactive): 1883–1900 (17) (Awakening: Missionary Awakening)
    G.I. Generation - Hero (Civic): 1901–1924 (23) (Unraveling: World War I/Prohibition)
    Silent Generation - Artist (Adaptive): 1925–1942 (17) (Crisis: Great Depression/World War II)


    Millennial Saeculum (67+)
    (Baby) Boom Generation - Prophet (Idealist): 1943–1960 (17) (High: Superpower America)
    13th Generation (a.k.a Generation X) - Nomad (Reactive): 1961–1981 (20)(Awakening: Consciousness Revolution)
    Millennial Generation - Hero (Civic): 1982–2000 (18) (Unraveling: Culture Wars)
    Homeland Generation 3 - Artist (Adaptive): 2001–present (10+) (Crisis: War on Terror)

    So, X were of a diferent quadrant than the dominant generation, while Ys are of the same quadrant than the current dominant generation (Boomers). So, they share the same culture, globally, there's less difference bewenn Y and boomers than between X and silents, there's less confrontation, less rebellion. A funny thing is that if you ask to a 15 years old kid what he like as music, he typically answers "AC/DC is cool" "Metallica", "Led Zeppelin", "Black Sabath" "Faith no more", or even "The beatles" or "the Rolling stones", so, he actually listen the same music than his parents, or even his grand-parents. And Ys, globally, are all like this.

    Other thing is that X are a reactive generation and became young adult during the culture wars, while Ys are a civic generation and are young adult during the current crisis. X in comparaison with Y can naturally appeared more rebelious, but also more nihilistic, while Ys are more family oriented. Xs were also between 9 and 30 with Soviet Union collapsed, and many resent that as a end of global ideals, this is in part why they are called "generation without ideal", while Ys, even the oldest, don't remember anything before the perstroïka, and find more natural to unify in a new global ideal.

    Ys, from my observations, are actually more cooperative than Xs who are more disillusioned of collective causes and wanted above to find their individual identity and be safe with that, they lived in a more individualistic period. An interesting point is that Ys are often pessimistic about the world's evolution, but optimistic about their own personal future. That's why Ys can seem narcissistic, I think they are not, but simply more self-confident about thier ability to be ressourceful, innovative, and fight againt difficulties or truly make a difference. Xs were more prone to believe in the motto "No Future".
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    I do not resent the collapse of the Soviet Union. WTF? Gen X resents the collapse of the Soviet Union?

    All I know is that I was a little kid and all that stuff on tv about Russia gave me some weird fetishes, bro.

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    You resent it as a thing you've seen, not necessarly as a thing wich offended you. It's all about the "people of the same generation share the same experiences"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    You resent it as a thing you've seen, not necessarly as a thing wich offended you.
    Huh? I agree it's something I saw, and it's something that probably greatly impacted my world view...that and the fall of the Berlin Wall...if anything it gave me a happy feeling that the world was more united and open.

    I'm pretty sure resentment is the opposite of that.

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    @ Speed- I ran across that before, GREAT post! did you take it from the book the fourth turning by William Strauss? Just wondering, they argued similarly, if not, the exact same thing, perhaps the information is the same?. either-way, great post.

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    I think I'm too young to feel this resentment you speak of. Maybe some older people do feel resentful about it. They had more emotion or psychological investment into the whole divided world thing. I wasn't a part of that mentality. Ever.

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