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    Did Katharine Hepburn and Mae West achieve fame and success during the 80s? Xhat about Frank Sinatra and Rockefeller? American show buisness and "Me First!" attitude has been secured since the late 19th century. It is a secular phenomenon. Eventually, there was a spiritual parenthesis during the 60s 70s awakening, wich overed during the 80s, wich give the impression that the "me first" attitude was new. But I think it is a false impression.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giggly View Post
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    I kinda feel the whole "break down gender boundaries and make everything 'equal'" thing has been taken too far in some places as well.
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    I didn't make my post with celebrities in mind. Celebrities are paid to be entertainers.
    I don't think those values are new. New, as in, have just been introduced to the world with Gen Y. I just think they are more prevalent and practiced now among average folks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    Did Katharine Hepburn and Mae West achieve fame and success during the 80s? Xhat about Frank Sinatra and Rockefeller? American show buisness and "Me First!" attitude has been secured since the late 19th century. It is a secular phenomenon. Eventually, there was a spiritual parenthesis during the 60s 70s awakening, wich overed during the 80s, wich give the impression that the "me first" attitude was new. But I think it is a false impression.



    Yes I think too.
    I understand the allusions you're trying to make and certainly it had its precursors but I think that the eighties really saw the political and cultural sea change, that's when the Golden Geckos took over and the world has been changed since, the craziness which was unleashed to secure the future of capitalism and its cultural underpinnings really and truly has bankrupted the developed world and I dont just mean financially.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    I understand the allusions you're trying to make and certainly it had its precursors but I think that the eighties really saw the political and cultural sea change, that's when the Golden Geckos took over and the world has been changed since, the craziness which was unleashed to secure the future of capitalism and its cultural underpinnings really and truly has bankrupted the developed world and I dont just mean financially.
    you should not confuse corporatism with capitalism. they're as different as water and fire
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    you should not confuse corporatism with capitalism. they're as different as water and fire
    Hmm, water needs oxygen and so does fire...
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    I'll agree with Elfboy on this point, capitalism and corporatism aren't the same thing. I actually approve of capitalism in its non-corporate form if it's blended with a social consciousness.

    There shouldn't be a stark contrast between corporatism and socialism. There are things in the middle, more reasonable ways of being.

    A social democracy works best, and has been proven in reality. However, idealistically I'd like for leftist libertarianism to work.

    I actually like how the Republican party was ...60 or 70 years ago. It's really gone to shit.

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    Entitlement is one of the defining factors of Gen Y.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfy View Post
    Entitlement is one of the defining factors of Gen Y.
    I disagree. Much of this centers on a particular class distinction, and does not apply to the generation as a whole.

    Usually, middle and upper-middle class Gen Y kids are called "entitled." It just seems that way because we've been promised a whole lot of things, and as we hit adulthood, we're finding that those promises were overstated at best, and actively being broken at worst. When we protest the seeming bait-and-switch, we're told that we have a sense of "entitlement."

    Another part of this comes from the myth that "everyone is middle class in the United States." That, of course, couldn't be further from the truth. People in the working class will naturally see those in the middle and upper-middle classes as entitled, because they believe that they're of equal social status.

    There's been a radical redefinition of the word "entitlement" since the 1980s, mostly for political purposes. Before, it meant a sense that one deserved the material surplus he enjoyed by benefit of his high status. Entitlement came at the expense of another. An executive who lost a particular parking space in a lot realignment and complained would be expressing a sense of entitlement, particularly if the rearrangement led to general parking.

    Today, many have turned the definition on its head. This started with the reframing of the social safety net as "entitlement spending." Now, "a sense of entitlement" means believing that someone, usually of higher status or greater power, owes you the benefit of an obligation. The biggest of these would be the modern "American Dream" - if you work hard and go to college, you'll have a comfortable existence, and that you should do the kind of work that you love. Then, once we graduate, we find that no one is willing to pay a comfortable wage for the sort of work that each person loves, except for a favored elite. So, when many of us protest this, and ask to see the benefit of the bargain, we're called "entitled".

    This isn't a character flaw. It's a general sense of confusion resulting from the social restructuring that we're currently going through. There is a lot of class mobility at play: mostly the middle retreating into the upper stretches of the working class, and some of the upper-middle as well. People in the upper class stoke the resentment of middle and upper-middle class mores in the working class to keep them squabbling amongst one another, so that they don't notice the bait and switch that's going on.

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