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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    I personally feel that people who abandon all moral consideration deserve no moral consideration. I actually consider that a moral imperative unto itself.
    Why put a bunch of innocents at risk for one cold-blooded bastard?

    Who says the psychopath will remain in the cell?
    Who says he can exercise no power from the cell?
    who cares if he exercises power from the cell. if he convinces someone else to do something fucked up, that's their fault, not his. and they should go to jail too.

    and i think jailbreaks are pretty friggin unlikely.

    plus, the eye for an eye attitude seems so inefficient. murder is wrong, so murder the murderers??????

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeliriousDisposition View Post
    I wonder if it crossed any of your minds that those prisoners who committed crimes against others were likely harmed themselves? Exessive/child abuse, for instance, can greatly impact a child into becoming a bully, then into something worse as can sexual abuse against them.
    i was about to go into this next

    amazing point.

    imagine sexual/physical abuse from age 2-18. i mean, you're still responsible for your actions and should go to jail if you commit rape or murder, but you guys think you should be subject to torture in jail on top of that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dissonance View Post
    you sound like an SJ lol
    Well, think about it. The only reason people do not commit crimes is because they don't want to get caught.

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    Umm.. not really..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberfuhrer View Post
    Well, think about it. The only reason people do not commit crimes is because we don't want to go to jail.
    you think? would you go rape someone if you wouldn't go to jail for it?

    and plus, if you do commit the crime, isn't going to jail for life an adequate punishment? you think people should be tortured on top of that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeliriousDisposition View Post
    I wonder if it crossed any of your minds that those prisoners who committed crimes against others were likely harmed themselves? Exessive/child abuse, for instance, can greatly impact a child into becoming a bully, then into something worse as can sexual abuse against them.

    I can't recall where I heard this from but in some of Canada's provinces, the Natives people have a counsel where they try to reform the offenders (most children/teens I think). I can't recall the outcome though lol
    Exactly why is the difficult childhood scenario an excuse?

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    Judging by the crime rate in the US, the fear of getting caught barely stops anyone from doing anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberfuhrer View Post
    Exactly why is the difficult childhood scenario an excuse?
    it's not an excuse. but they deserve empathy...

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    Ho-ly fuck, uber. I take back my vote in your "shot at lurve" thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dana View Post
    Judging by the crime rate in the US, the fear of getting caught barely stops anyone from doing anything.
    It is unproven whether or not harsher penalties actually effect crime. The certainty of punishment, on the other hand, is a different matter when dealing with premeditated crimes. When about to commit a crime, you don't consider the penalty nearly as much as you consider the likelihood of being caught.

    And concerning Uber's point about fear of punishment preventing crime. I am inclined to agree. Would I rape? Of course not. Would I probably waste some people? Yeah.
    "You will always be fond of me. I represent to you all the sins you never had the courage to commit."

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    than to serve and obey them. - David Hume

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