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    Quote Originally Posted by dissonance View Post
    i'm totally against it. it's basically torture. i think everyone has basic rights, even murderers and rapists.
    So what you're saying is that murderers and rapists still deserve the rights they themselves took away from others?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dissonance View Post
    damn dude that's fucked up (in my opinion).

    they're people too. if they prove to be unfit to walk the streets, lock em up. no use in killing them. they could still do good for the human race.

    i'm totally against killing anyone. plus, i can empathize with even the worst people that exist.
    Dude, I understand why you might be inclined to feel that way, but these people have no sense of empathy. They do nothing to deserve moral consideration. You only endanger society by playing nice with them. They will never act in anyone else's interest. They do not truly reciprocate, and that is the basis of ethics. The world would be better without them.

    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    Are you kidding? The psychopaths are the government.
    Haha. There is actually some truth to this. It's not just government, but also private business. There is a higher percentage of psychopaths among positions of authority than there is in subordinate positions.
    This is because they are selfish and highly manipulative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    That's not really true. Influence and control come in many forms other than life and death.
    Yes, but it ultimately still comes back to the power over death. Only governments have the power to legitimately kill, and that is because they are the most powerful entity. They give themselves legitimacy. Even if their power appears to be in social manipulation, etc. etc. those powers are still used to influence force ultimately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberfuhrer View Post
    So what you're saying is that murderers and rapists still deserve the rights they themselves took away from others?
    1) you're not 100% sure they ARE rapists/murderers
    2) even if they are, yes. they still deserve certain rights. i mean, they shouldn't be able to walk the street, but they should be able to sit in jail and read books and shit.

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    Moved from the NF Idyllic

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    Experimenting on prisoners is a horrible idea. Just look at how prisoners are treated in other countries. Packed in like sardines, shit and piss everywhere, sweltering tempuratures.. C'mon.. That's fucked up. I'm glad our prisoners have rights in the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    Dude, I understand why you might be inclined to feel that way, but these people have no sense of empathy. They do nothing to deserve moral consideration.
    they don't have to do anything to deserve moral consideration.

    You only endanger society by playing nice with them. They will never act in anyone else's interest. They do not truly reciprocate, and that is the basis of ethics. The world would be better without them.
    how is society endangered by a prisoner in a cell?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dana View Post
    Experimenting on prisoners is a horrible idea. Just look at how prisoners are treated in other countries. Packed in like sardines, shit and piss everywhere, sweltering tempuratures.. C'mon.. That's fucked up. I'm glad our prisoners have rights in the US.
    That's what you get for breaking the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberfuhrer View Post
    That's what you get for breaking the law.
    The law is full of shit a lot of times. What happened to the law requiring the legitimacy of logic?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberfuhrer View Post
    That's what you get for breaking the law.
    you sound like an SJ lol

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