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    I dunno, but the assumption that I owe someone something for something that I never even did to them is pretty silly... I never kicked anyone off their land, my parents didn't kick anyone off their land, my grandparents didn't either and my great grandmother WAS cherokee (and my great grandfather on the other side was half)... I come from a land owning family, but they bought the land in the 1930s through money saved up by working hard in un-glamorous industries. Fuck if I'm going to turn that land over to someone else, even if it once WAS one of the eastern reservations- I have ties to the land and we've taken good care of it (in fact we turned it into a federally protected nature preserve).

    In many states being of native american descent gives you a full ride scholarship to college, and other financial inscentives are offered as well... nobody HAS to stay on the reservations- many graduate college, get a good job and move on with their lives... only the most traditional ones tend to stay. I had to work hard to get a full scholarship to college... getting one without hard work would be AWESOME!

    Plus, I'm well aware that the payments that one receives for eminent domain purchases are paltry at best... my family has lost land thanks to the building of several reservoirs, a national park and an interstate highway. And for practical concerns, how the hell are we supposed to afford that? our country is broke!

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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    what i said isnt just prejudice towards a minority, its a fact about majority. believe it or not
    It's pretty common for oppressed minorites to resort to crime. If a person isn't allowed an honest living then they'll make a dishonest one just to survive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    I dunno, but the assumption that I owe someone something for something that I never even did to them is pretty silly...
    ur the one whos doing all the assumptions here, i never said you owe anything to anyone, im talking about the government.

    your government isnt broke, its just wasting money on stupid crap like wars and taking the money from citizens who get poor because of idiotic spending of money by the government. i dont understand how people in usa allow the government to do that. by the time of 2001-jan 2009 wars costed $6,490 per taxpayer, total amount has raised 750 million per day since(i cba to calculate what that makes per tax payer). you can check the total amount spent on iraq and afghanistan here: http://costofwar.com/ . i could think many better ways to spend that money, ways that people could actually benefit from..

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Liquid_Laser View Post
    It's pretty common for oppressed minorites to resort to crime. If a person isn't allowed an honest living then they'll make a dishonest one just to survive.
    finnish people(including the finnish gypsies) who doesent have a job get their rent, medical costs and electricity bills payed + 380€ per month, you dont need to do crimes to survive with that money..
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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    ur the one whos doing all the assumptions here, i never said you owe anything to anyone, im talking about the government.

    your government isnt broke, its just wasting money on stupid crap like wars and taking the money from citizens who get poor because of idiotic spending of money by the government. i dont understand how people in usa allow the government to do that. by the time of 2001-jan 2009 wars costed $6,490 per taxpayer, total amount has raised 750 million per day since(i cba to calculate what that makes per tax payer). you can check the total amount spent on iraq and afghanistan here: http://costofwar.com/ . i could think many better ways to spend that money, ways that people could actually benefit from..
    well... I'm a taxpayer who comes from a landowning family... meaning one way or another I'll be paying... use your Ne a bit to make the connection why don't you?

    and it's not MY fault the government decided that a stupid and expensive war would be fun! I was too young to vote in the election of 2000 and I voted AGAINST Bush in 2004
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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    well... I'm a taxpayer who comes from a landowning family... meaning one way or another I'll be paying... use your Ne a bit to make the connection why don't you?

    and it's not MY fault the government decided that a stupid and expensive war would be fun! I was too young to vote in the election of 2000 and I voted AGAINST Bush in 2004
    that land could be taken from other things than taxes.

    im not talking about voting, im talking about something more like the half country going in strike or rioting
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    I would say that Americans have put their land to excellent use, growing large amounts of food and producing vast quantities of consumer goods. I would say that America is a fine example of conquest preceding productivity and growth, a common behavior seen in many civilizations, past and present.

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    So INTP hates both Americans AND Gypsies now? OK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    that land could be taken from other things than taxes.

    im not talking about voting, im talking about something more like the half country going in strike or rioting
    People don't have bloody revolutions unless they're starving. Get a clue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    what?



    nice fail in thinking from your friend and stupid tour guide that fell into that. your friend was asked about countries, but your friend asked about states in a country(makes me wonder if he actually is a stupid american who thinks european countries are like states in usa..). -> your friend didnt reply with nearly as easy question that the tour guide asked. if the tour guide would have asked your friend to name all states that border thuringia, i bet your friend would have replied something like wtf is thuringia..

    you see poland is to germany as canada is to usa and oklahoma is to kansas as bavaria is to thuringia..
    I get all the time "wtf is Croatia" All the time. So... That lil war on Balkans that was in 90-ies etc... what was that ?

    But I still really love Americans, I dont take this so much as some sign they are stupid. They can be ignorant. Didnt see it much/at all on TypoC/INTPc though.

    What is kinda *worrying* is hearing someone with 130k $ income per year, 2 kids, college money from grandparents... whines about not having money. Completely unaware of situation in most of the world. And I respect that person, but i think it's good portrait of isolated thinking/living.

    Average payment in my country is $7000 per year (and croatia is doing much better than many other eastern european countries). Unemployment rate is 20+%, even 27% for young people. Of course, college is almost free*, health system is free**, but food, plane tickets, bills, clothes <- it's all the same as in USA, if not more.

    *it's free but not so much spaces for anyone to get in. and it cant be compared to oportunities in usa.
    ** sucks big time.

    so... i think that Americans forget this more often than not!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haphazard View Post
    Well, Ent, look at INTP, he's got quite a few posts too...

    I dunno, Germany seems pretty cool, at least what I've heard. Might have considered studying abroad there if like, I knew a lick of German. But then again there's the multiple recycling bins. Apparently it's worse than here. I think people need to rethink recycling bins because at a certain amount of bins you probably get diminishing returns.
    Sorry for the late answer, my girl came home that other day having bad news and I wasnt online since then.
    Recycle Bins could become a completly new thing. Watch this: The Fun Theory . In the second movie from the top, they made an arcade game out oif them haha .

    My opinion on americans: well the most basic opinion of mine is, I dont know jack about the States. I've never been there and I have never ever met an american in all my life ( tho I not always remember what I did do drunk ). The most american thing I had so far were all 10 seasons of stargate but then again the show was made in Vancouver, I dont know if that counts.

    I am a huge fan of the english language. Sometimes I wished on this forum, I could say a thing in german, cause there it would be easier but most times in real life, I wish I could say a thing in english, cause this would be easier. The first time I came here, I was hesitant to post a thing at all, cause I thought you were going to kill me if I open my mouth or worse, ignore me. I figured tho one huge difference at first in that moments, while if you were trieing to speak german on a german board, they'ld all correct you every minute. They'ld do that because they want to "help you" better your language abilities but it would be nothing but barefaced and in the end taxing for the poster to not have his meaning conveyed everytime he posts, cause someone is mocking him because of his language again. I never had this here, in 10 k posts noone ever corrected me and I think this is outstanding. At least in the light of things I know. I can easily expand on that, cause ignored or hated I've gotten neither, I was integrated in this forum as if I was never away. I think this is an ability only americans have. I think I can safely say that no other country on this world can offer an openess like that.

    That doesnt mean tho that americans are stupid and are letting everyone into their backyard. On the contrary, the second thing I learnt about you guys was that you're pride, a lot of. You have your unspoken rules of engagement, which are jsut set, like a morale directive. Anyone who violates these will be responded to with weapon power. It's not like it that it easy to upset you, you can poke an american with a stick again and again and again, but you'll keep your cool. If someone has invented keeping his cool, it's the americans. There's an intresting psychological dimension behind this and WARNING this is entropie psychology, dunno if its really applicable : beyond this forum, I've met several americans in online games and became close friends with alot of them. I often have the impression that a lot of americans seem to suffer from adhs. Sometimes it's like there's a new movie, they know already about it. One day later there's another new movie, they know about it and each time there is a new thing, they are totally fascinated and captivated, but switch there intrest on a minute basis. I for example havent even seen the last two Harry Potters and there's already a new one !

    My world is slow, very slow, I guess if an american politician really want to understand what conservative means, he should come to Germany. Now comes my psychology: our cat is like that par exellance. The cat is the epitome of adhs. But you can poke the cat with a stick, over and over and over, he's just relaxed. Thgat's really different with a german, the general german is kinda non-resistant to stress. That's why he likes rules and order, why he likes to be in control. If you stereotype Jews to be good with money, you can stereotype germans to be good managers. I have this gene aswell and am often in conflict with myself regarding my mbti type. I am leading a classical entp personal life, but the moment I had to take on responsibility at work for the first time, I needed only a few days to get into manager mode and after a few more days I was already working like a machine, needing no freetime no more, completly forgetting the self. And I am doing a great job, you'ld want me .

    I remember a friend from school, having an american exchange student. I've never met the american but my friend said about him: "Tho he's total fun to be around and a real cool guy, he's stressing me out. He wants to visit everything, see everything and at best all at once in one minute." His comment did best characterize the psychological differences for me. I am not saying all americans or all germans are like that, my interpretation may be wrong aswell, but you're asking for my personal opinion and that's so far what I've gathered as information.

    *new topic*

    I remember 9/11 and the day the Bush administration decided to attack Iraque. I was like, hell yeah let's kick some ass, but I found a Germany in doubt. On the one hand, everybody wanted to supported America, because everybody felt with them, but on the other hand nobody wanted a war. Regarding war this nation is utterly traumatized and the best would be if there was peace on the whole World and everbody was happy making a huge party. That's what germans would like to have and therefore they were against the war. The german administration by this time used the non-participation in the war as election campaign strategy aswell, so it was a big thing. That they later on started a war in Afghanistan, noone really noticed, since they did it really calmly. But some did and until today there are strong protestants fighting against the war, but I have a different opinion: I think Germany hid under Americas opinion for too long. We are as said, kinda traumatized in vouching an opinion when it comes to war issues. This is not arbitary, cause when a german talks about starting a war, everybody instantly says the old nazis are back. So politics tried to stand apart from World issues so far. You can safely say that the americans not only where the reason Germany exists nowadays, no they are aswell the reason we could develop so uninvolved and protected over the last years. America acts for the whole western world and while europe's always thinking they are so cool because they say nothing, they dont recognize they are by doing nothing guilty of complicity. I think if it's the time, the time is now for Germany to take in Europe a more active role regarding World politics. I think France would be in the boat aswell in an instant and italy always found shit from Germany hilarious ( ok inadequate joke I know ). The trick would be for the americans to give up a bit of responsibility and power and to accept europes opinions but for that europes opinions have to get a real meaning in the world aswell and shouldnt only be good for europe.

    Obama lately said, after the german chancellor prided herself once again with Germany having the best export statistics in the World, Obama said that without foreign countries buying the stuff, this wouldnt be possible. And to me this was a slap in the face, cause of course he's right. This was such a moment where you could watch as an european, how easily it is to become selfish and more importantly how fast it could happen. We have in Germany virtually no possibility to buy american goods, cause shipping taxes are horrendous. Why is that so ? Wouldnt it be good if the american currency was bad for us to buy there ? Both parties would profit. I am not good in economics and I believe it's more complicated than that, but nevertheless I think that those high shipping taxes aint really necessary. The same goes by the way for all laws regarding foreign people. Our government is making it utmostly hard for anyone to migrate to this country. And that in the light of germans dieing out. They can stick their export championship up their asses, if they have no workforce no more in a few years.

    So but now my personal opinion: I have grown to like many of the members from this board over the years. Tho I am not the social butterfly posting wall of text messages to my friends, I am constantly having an eye on all of you, as in I'm watching you . I've cried with some people here, I've laughed with some people here, I did do all you do with friends. I never had an opinion about the States because I never know them, I was more prone to fall victim to stereotypes and to easily criticize without really knowing the subject of criticism. Having known you all till now, changed that completly. I still think America is the country of extremes, like on the one hand you have the most advanced research facilities on the whole world, while on the other hand some people believe in creationism. I dont want to take an opinion in that debate but it's obviously there is a hguge contradiction. I tho begin to realize that this is what democracy means. In Germany there is always the demand for a consensus, a compromise or only one opinion but is that ever really possible if you want to have a democracy ? I dont think so, therefore I think America is doing it right.

    Another difference is the definition of words. I think many political things in America are not understood by europeans because we used the words for it in different contents. For me socialism is great, if I should loose my job due to illness for example, there is someone to care for me. For americans socialism seems to be only another word for communism and is nearly everytime I read it used in the most negative sense possible and it doesnt have that ring to me. The Republican party in Germany is a strong rightist group who stand a bit for the ideals of the nazis. Thats not comparable to the american republicans. And Health care probably means for the average american to give off a lot of his monthly income. In Germany it is normal to give off about 40 % of your wager for taxes and health care, on the other hand the wages are insanely high. So if you get health care in america without an increase in your monthly income, this would of course suck.

    But before I abscond completly from my personal opinion: I've grown to like America a bit more thru this forum. So to say where was nothing before, there is something positive now. I am impressed by you, who made it so easy for me to be accepted in your ranks and most times I never feel any cultural difference between us. I often thought americans and germans are quite the same, I learnt tho that this isnt the case and in that regards I learnt a lot about myself and when I thought I am perfect, I've learnt that I am not and for that I am very thankful too you.

    Ok let's sum that up: You're quite ok there over the Ocean, as in you rock ! I think a great many other people fromn Germany share my opinion. And you know I am german, once I made up my mind it will take A LOOOOOOOOOOOOONG time for me to change it, what means for you that you are having me at your butt and wont too easily get rid of me
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