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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    wow... now you're REALLY getting on my shit list

    <-- is part gypsy... among other things
    part gypsy isnt the same as a pure bred one.

    im not against gypsies in general, its just that 95% of them living in finland are worse than rats, they dont work, they get their living from social welfare, stealing, robbing people and/or selling stolen stuff(usually cellphones) that most likely some other gypsy stole, they do buy/sell other stuff that some other gypsy didnt steal, but they dont care if its stolen or not. they dont care about any rules and have no morals(look at them in a wrong way and you might get stabbed) towards other people than their family(and every other gypsy is related to them in some way. makes me think about if they are just too badly inbred). and they do all this openly, but everyone is afraid to say anything to them because they will get stabbed or shot, also they arent afraid to do even this in public because they just dont give a fuck if they go to jail, not to mention that they wear same looking clothes(and have same type hair) so its hard to tell them apart and press charges, and they call the cops racists if they do get charges and say that they didnt do anything. people who would see this and would testify against them would get stabbed,so no one wants to do this. its not too long ago when i last time saw some gypsies(two women) stealing in a store and when the salesman told them to leave the store and leave the stuff that they took, they started threating her that they will stab him if she wont shut the fuck up. they teach their children to steal at very young age, my friend once saw a gypsy woman who had like 5 year old kid under her skirt(they wear these really big skirts that could fit two men in it) stealing stuff in a store. also they have been raised to think they are better than others and they are really really arrogant. these are the gypsies that have been living in finland for ages.

    then there are these new type of gypsies that came from romania few years ago who beg and collect bottles on the streets, i dont really mind them tho since those people usually seem to have enough honor not to steal from others.

    its their culture, not really their heritage. gypsies who work and dont steal do exist in finland, but they are really rare because of the culture they have been raised in. i know few more of them would work if they would be accepted in jobs, but they usually have no education(lucky if they didnt drop out in junior high) and they are discriminated by many and most of them refuse do jobs like cleaning or that kind of stuff, because the job is not worthy of them.

    and this isnt some cultural racism, im just stating the facts.
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    http://ifae-institute.org/Student_We...n_finland.html

    Gypsies in Finland

    Romani is what the ‘Gypsies’ call themselves in every country in which they are found, butGypsies is an English word derived from the slurred Egyptian, referring to where the English thought the Romani must have originated. And as might be guessed from their inaccurate English name, the Romani are seldom well understood or liked by their neighbours. The Romani have lived in Finland since the sixteenth century, some 400 years, but they are still treated as outsiders by the ‘white’ Finnish majority.
    The Romani originated as a distinct group in what is now northern India. They have
    spent centuries wandering, and can be found in many parts of Asia and Europe, particularly south-eastern Europe. Many still speak the Romani language, which is distinct from any European language. The Romani have been able to retain a powerful, separate identity from many of their host cultures. They have occasionally been the object of extremely harsh persecution, and in some areas of Central Europe they were almost exterminated by the Nazis during World War .Most Romani prefer to dress in their traditional clothing. Men wear dark suits, while women wear hoop-skirts with aprons and ruffles. Most Romani have dark hair and olive complexions, and the denigrating term for the Romani, mustalaisia, derives from musta or black. Finland’s best-known ethnic group, the indigenous Samis or Lapps, number only around 2,500. In contrast, the Romani population is probably somewhere between 6,500 and 10,000.

    Finland is not generally well known as a country with widespread racism, but discrimination against the Romani has only recently been made illegal. As the targets of governmental efforts to ‘integrate’ them into the larger population and culture, they have endured extreme measures, including the forced removal of Romani children from their homes for placement in state-run children’s homes. This practice only ended in 1970. Not until 1992 were Finland’s citizens guaranteed equal protection under the law or the right to their own culture. The Romani in Finland tend to have lower literacy rates, less education and economic resources, and higher levels of poverty than white Finns; many depend on state-funded welfare. A director of a charitable organisation for the Romani stated, ‘Most Finns say that the mustalaisia are lazy, that they don’t want to work, and that they are not able to perform ordinary jobs. They say they’re dishonest and irresponsible’. Heikki Lampela, who is only part Romani, faces this attitude directly and often: ‘In restaurants where I had never been before, people told me, “Get out of here. We don’t like Gypsies”... People in Finland hate Gypsies. They don’t want Gypsies to come into society because they don’t like them. And Gypsies have their own society. The Finnish lifestyle and the Gypsy lifestyle are like day and night’.

    Recent legislation has made overt, formal racism less common, and many Romani hope
    that these changes will result in the material improvement of their lives. But many Romani also have their doubts about any economic or social improvement. As Lampela says, ‘If we’re talking about a dog, does it matter what pedigree it is? People use their eyes here, they don’t use their brains. They don’t ask how you feel inside’.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haphazard View Post
    Well, Ent, look at INTP, he's got quite a few posts too...
    i dont hate americans..
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    we have white people here who say the same thing about certain minority groups living in certain areas as what you're saying about gypsies... it still doesn't mean that it's right to think that way... for instance, consider the rates of unemployment, federal support and alcoholism on reservations here for argument's sake
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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    we have white people here who say the same thing about certain minority groups living in certain areas as what you're saying about gypsies... it still doesn't mean that it's right to think that way... for instance, consider the rates of unemployment, federal support and alcoholism on reservations here for argument's sake
    what i said isnt just prejudice towards a minority, its a fact about majority. believe it or not
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    same attitude that you're judging here in a way... don't complain about others if you have the same problem
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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    same attitude that you're judging here in a way... don't complain about others if you have the same problem
    im just stating facts about the majority of gypsies living in finland, im not judging every gypsy because of what most of them are like in here. anyways, attitude about this is irrelevant, only what generates the attitude is relevant
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    so why is it that you feel ok to judge others for something that happened a long time ago and in which other innocent people will be disadvantaged if your suggested means of correction are implemented?
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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    so why is it that you feel ok to judge others for something that happened a long time ago and in which other innocent people will be disadvantaged if your suggested means of correction are implemented?
    where did you get the idea that im judging american people with this?

    im sure the government could come up with a solution that would satisfy people who own land where those natives should be owning it, if the government wanted to..

    you sound like Ni dom with those ridiculous assumptions of yours and inability to understand what is actually said to you. no offense to any Ni doms
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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    and this isnt some cultural racism, im just stating the facts.
    It would be interesting if it were possible to find a prejudiced person who would not repeat that exact sentence. The nature of prejudice is to assume it is the objective facts. That is also the problem with assuming one's ideas to be capable of a pure objectivity.

    There is a quote I especially like by Thich Nhat Hanh, "This is like this because that is like that". Whenever there is a socially/economically suppressed group of people it is the result of the larger context. The gypsies described in the above post could not exist outside a larger context that creates them. The privileged create the oppressed in any given society.
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