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    Hello people,

    At college we are currently doing an assignment about beauty ideals and I (we) have some questions, we would like you to answer, if you do not mind


    1. What is health for you?
    2. What is beauty?
    3. Is a person healthy if the person is thin or thick? in your opinion.
    4. Men, how should a woman look like?
    5. Women, are you happy with your look, or is there something you would like to change? - What?


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    What is healt for you? Not being dying or in chronical pain.
    What is beauty? Being pretty.
    Is a person healthy if the person is thin or thick? in your opinion. To me a healthy person has an average weight and their body should be in proportion. A little bit of muscle for the men, lots of curves for the women.
    Men, how should a woman look like? I'm sorry, I'm a female, so I guess my opinion isn't worth anything (but if you'd ask me and my opinion mattered, I'd say: extremely curvy)
    Women, are you happy with your look, or is there something you would like to change? - What? I'm really happy about myself because I already like my body better than the bodies of most women (I made my mother angry about that when we were watching Benelux's Next Top Model and I told her I like myself better in a bikini than the models on TV, "DON'T BE SO ARROGANT! YOU HAVE A TUMMY! THEY DON'T!" Jesus Christ, REAL men don't give shit about tummies, so why should I care?). BUT if I could change something, I'd want bigger boobs (I have C/D right now, I'd like E or F), a more pronounced ass and a tinier waist. IT would be cool too if I had cheekbones and my chin was more symmetrical. And I want new teeth, the orthodontic did a lousy job with mine. Gotta save some money for that. Hope it won't make be look like a porn star (oh, so what if it will?).
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    What is health for you?

    not being unhealthy in any ways

    What is beauty?

    characteristic of a person, animal, place, object, or idea that provides a perceptual experience of pleasure, meaning, or satisfaction.

    Is a person healthy if the person is thin or thick? in your opinion.

    if it doesent cause the person to be unhealthy

    Men, how should a woman look like?

    good?
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    What is healt for you?
    Health is important to those who like to live. I am very intrested in the dynamical system that is a healthy body. I have learnt alot about food over the years and am able to prepare some decent meals that could generally be considered healthy. Preparation includes the proper storage of food and the preparation of for example vegetables so they dont loose their vitamines. With age I've become more health fanatic, I am so close to quitting smoking, I am on my own doing sports and I am not overworking myself no more thru stress. There are still some things like fatty food I like and it will need a couple more years till I wont eat no burgers no more, but I am generally more and more developing into the direction of looking at my physical needs, a thing that wasnt always naturally for me.

    Regarding the health of the soul, I am already a master. I am conviced I'ld rather die while chilling on a hammock in the sun while reading the schematics of the engine control of my new BMW than driving in it against a tree. ( Tho... lemme rethink that )

    What is beauty?
    Space and nature, all of it. + Spaceships and complex machinery on the inside. Tho if it has shiny metal on the outside too.

    Beauty too is a nice or altruistic gesture. People, who look for each other and help each other. I love those morale situations you have in movies when everything aligns and the universe is in one point at the same time, sometimes this happens in real life too and I love the people who fight for this beautiful moments.

    Is a person healthy if the person is thin or thick? in your opinion.
    Really thin or thick isnt healthy. A little overweight or underweight, well eff that

    Men, how should a woman look like?
    Even if I'ld try to answer this question seriously and not say "like beer" like I intended too: I have no clue. Not because I have no clue but because I dont care. If I dont like her from the start, she can look like she want, I wouldnt like her. I have a hard time getting along with woman, partly because I am an asshole and partly because I think the majority of woman are just a drain on these world's ressources than they are really helping anything. Since I have a generally misanthropic nature this applies for men aswell and I'ld favour woman slightly in that regards because compared to men they do benefit more to society and this world.

    Bottom line is, I am a very grumpy and defensive person if it comes to personal things. So I needed 1/4th lifetime to find a woman that tolerates me at all. Therefore I've never put myself into the awkwardness that is thinking about how an ideal woman should look like.

    Women, are you happy with your look, or is there something you would like to change? - What?

    I'ld change the belly. It makes me looking more J and hides my p-ness :/
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    What is health for you?

    Personally I would say it means that you can lead a "normal" life without being limited through physical obsticles. However, when it comes to appearing healthy in our society, it goes farther than that. It is also important then to "look normal", that means taking care of yourself and your appearance, and not looking much different from the average people. Looking very pale for example gets often associated here with being unhealthy while going all the time to the tanning salon doesn't, and you cannot really say that going to the tanning salon is "healthy" for your skin.

    What is beauty?

    Beauty can include physical appearance (and personality) of people / objects / animals, but can also lie in what I will call "atmosphere", something you cannot really grasp but will notice by the "teamwork" of different things together. Beauty is to some extent in the eye of the beholder, although there is also some common basics on how people judge and perceive beauty. People tend to symphatize with beautiful things and prefer them to not beautiful things.

    Beauty is also relative in some way. I think if everything would look equally beautiful, we would lack an understanding of beauty. It needs the ugly to understand the beauty. So if you want so, beauty lies to some extent in everything.

    Is a person healthy if the person is thin or thick? in your opinion.

    If it is not limiting the person's life experience in some way (compare to first question), usually yes. Since we tend to think though that most people don't judge too much thickness or too much thinness as beautiful, and most people want to be beautiful, we come to think that those people who become thick or thin are not voluntarily thick or thin, and so we think that those people are not healthy. I cannot exclude myself totally from that thinking so I will also have to say that being too thick or too thin is usually not healthy.

    Men, how should a woman look like?

    I have no formula for it. I notice it when I see it. There is different ways how beauty can manifest itself. Sure I have some preferences here and there, but the whole sum must be good, not only the single parts of it.

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    So far - thanks guys... I can really use this to my (our) presentation on Friday!
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    Jace said, "Unfortunately, Lady of the Haven, my one true love remains myself."
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    "Not necessarily. I turn myself down occasionally, just to keep it interesting"

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    Regarding healthiness, are we talking emotional health or physical health? To me emotional health has a lot to do with physical health. When people are making unhealthy physical choices, it often is a symptom of something awry emotionally. So I guess healthy for me is when I have supportive friendships/relationships in my life and have enough margin that I am not on the edge of using up all of my resources. Usually at that point I have enough left over to pay proper attention to eating well and exercising regularly.

    What is beauty? I don't think there is one standard definition of it. Our relationship to a person can also change our perception of how beautiful they are. Because our relationship, our past experiences with other people, our socialization and also the person's inner state (as well as our own) can transform how they appear to us, beauty appears to be pretty subjective. One of the markers of beauty for me is someone who has is comfortable in their own skins and has found a style that reflects who they are accurately. They have an idea of what their most attractive features are and have learned how to highlight those and downplay their less attractive traits. They have accepted what they cannot change and embraced whatever they do have. They are comfortable enough with themselves that their hair, clothes and dress are not the first thing you notice about them because they seem to fit so well and seem taken for granted as a part of them, even if they are unique to them.

    Am I happy with the way I look? Overall yes. I think I feel much more aware of and comfortable about who I am than I once did. I've learned what kind of clothes don't work for me, which saves a lot of time when I shop. Right now I would like to be in better physical shape than I am and lose some weight for health's sake. If there was one aesthetic thing I could change, it would probably be getting one of my front teeth straightened out. I'm fairly happy with how my style reflects my identity.

    Thick or thin? I think it depends more on a person's body type and fitness level. A skinny person who doesn't exercise can be in worse shape than someone a little thicker who is fit. I don't think the number on the scale determines how healthy or aesthetically pleasing someone is, but I think most of us can tell when we or other people are way out of the range of a healthy amount of body fat (either not enough or too much). In my case, I wouldn't stand out in the population, but I also get winded too easily and weigh more than I know is good for my body to function optimally.

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    1.What is health for you?
    Fidelia is on to some of my thought process here.
    I've known people who strive for optimal physical health. They keep their diets as clean and restricted as possible, and they are consistently active. While this can be very healthy for their body, the emotional health aspect can either make or break it. I've watched people who do this become absolutely miserable with themselves, which I feel defeats the purpose entirely.
    To me, health is a combination of both physical and emotional health. One doesn't have to be terribly restrictive with themselves, but to do unhealthy things in moderation and tend to their emotional health is ideal.
    2.What is beauty?
    The appeal of something or someone to a person's preferences. It is usually aesthetic, but not limited to it. I find people may have beautiful or ugly personalities and it alters how I perceive their appearance, regardless of how they would generally be categorized.
    3.Is a person healthy if the person is thin or thick? in your opinion.
    Neither of these things define healthy. Obviously too thin or too thick is less likely to be healthy. In that same token, I'm not inclined to say that people who are at their ideal weight range are healthy. Some of the least healthy people I've ever known are in their ideal weight range and proportionate. While their weight may not affect their health, their lifestyle choices do.
    I'll admit that my immediate judgment is that someone who is a bit thicker as healthier, but that doesn't make it true.
    5.Women, are you happy with your look, or is there something you would like to change? - What?
    For the mostpart.
    I wouldn't define myself as healthy. I'm healthier now than I was 6+ months ago, most definitely. Beyond that, I have weight to lose and have been working on it for the past 5 months. I feel as though all of my features are fine and dandy, but they are clouded by weight I need to lose.
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    [*]What is health for you?
    Valuing yourself enough to 1) Take care of your physical condition so that it is operating at its best capacity (things such as getting enough sleep, not lambasting your body with chemicals, a diet of moderation and with no excess or deficiency (no extremes, and an intake based on moderation & balance), staying active); and 2) Take care of your more abstract self/needs - emotional and intellectual - such that there's a balance of selfishness and selflessness and awareness that your needs are in fact important but also no more important than the needs of anyone else. At its root I think it's valuing yourself enough to strive for the best in your life, to nurture all aspects of your being, while also recognizing that everyone else should be striving for the same, and are entitled to the same - thus finding and maximizing relationships & situations that are complementary to your own needs and others', and removing yourself from situations/relationships that don't work for all involved.

    [*]What is beauty?
    I think I'll echo Unkindloving here:
    Quote Originally Posted by Unkindloving
    The appeal of something or someone to a person's preferences. It is usually aesthetic, but not limited to it. I find people may have beautiful or ugly personalities and it alters how I perceive their appearance, regardless of how they would generally be categorized.
    I will add though that there are basically three pathways when it comes to myself:
    1) Person I find Physically Attractive + Beautiful personality = Potential Romance + becomes even more physically attractive
    2) Person I do not find physically attractive + Beautiful personality = Friend
    3) Person I find Physically Attractive + Horrid Personal = Nothing + I might then find them physically repulsive

    Outside of attraction, beauty can be found in many things. That's a whole different discussion though.

    [*]Is a person healthy if the person is thin or thick? in your opinion.
    A person is healthy if given their body structure they are valuing themselves enough to take care of themselves physically - see my first point. Someone with a larger frame is going to look quite unhealthy if they try to achieve a 'thin' look that isn't suited to their frame - they'll instead look skeletal and quite unhealthy. Someone with a very small frame is going to look quite unhealthy if they're 'thick', because they're carrying a lot of excess weight/bulk that they frankly don't 'have' to be carrying. They'll in turn look overweight.

    [*]Women, are you happy with your look, or is there something you would like to change? - What?
    I am happy with how I look, but I have always hated my hair because it's extremely thin and causes me a lot of difficulties in terms of looking my best, and I feel it can make me look unhealthy at times.
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    What is health for you?
    Fidelia definitely touched on this, but i see health as a package; emotional and mental health are intricately tied together with physical health. if you look at my bloodwork, it is undeniable that the state of my mental/emotional stability is dependent on the state of my physical health. They are one. And so taking care these things and actively maintaining the status of these things then comes into play.

    What is beauty?
    on the one hand there are the obvious aesthetic appeals. There are also the appeals in a persons personality or acts, or "atmospheric" beauty. as unkindloving so eloquently put it, it is something or someone that appeals to a person's preferences. What fascinates me about this is the fact that exactly what this ideal is is so fluid and how it changes with the times.

    on the other hand there is the dark side of beauty..or rather what we do with it sometimes. Beauty (or "lack of") can be a demand and a judgement upon people. when this happens it can seriously wreak havoc on ones mental and emotional well-being; "beauty" ideals, then, can be severely unhealthy. This makes the "ugly" side of beauty really worth exploring. If you're doing a project on this, then I'm sure you've read Naomi Wolf's The Beauty Myth, which explores this side of beauty...but if you haven't then it's a pretty good read.

    Is a person healthy if the person is thin or thick? in your opinion.
    I'm going to assume we aren't talking about extremes here, so that being said I don't think there is any real way to tell any of that JUST by looking at the person. I think we'd love to believe that, and it can be a good indicator sometimes, but other factors need to be taken into consideration in order to make that call (and one could ask if that's even a "call" we are in a place to make).

    Example: I have some friends who are models. Arguably they are considered very attractive by the currently held ideals. I think you can see where this is going... without getting too much into detail many of them engage in what many would consider all-around unhealthy behaviour. I have one friend who's diet consists of cheerios and top ramen. Many don't exercise until they're a week away from a competition or a photo shoot.

    On the flip-side, myself and a couple other friends have under-active thyroids and so are on the "thicker" side despite taking our daily vitamins/medication, following the diets that were considered appropriate for our conditions and exercising regularly.

    Obviously these factors don't all hold true for everyone, but that's the point: if health is more than just how a person looks then you don't know if they're healthy just by looking at their body. and of course I'm particularly sensitive to this BECAUSE if people were to do that they would likely make inaccurate judgements about my lifestyle.

    Women, are you happy with your look, or is there something you would like to change? - What?

    can't it be both?

    Overall I'm happy. i've always had a belly that serves as a constant reminder of my thyroid issues and the subsequent insulin resistance that I wish I didn't have. But I do, and so as long as I have it I'm going to accept it.
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