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    Quote Originally Posted by SecondBest View Post
    Well, my rising is actually a sagittarius so it doesn't necessarily apply. I also don't really care my own or someone else's rising sign for precisely the description of what the rising sign indicates.

    I stick with the moon sign and sun sign. And yeah, i would say that I'm a fan of astrology - just not anything that's out there right now concerning it or what astrologers are doing with it. But its core principles I think are correct.
    I'm starting to get scared. No offense. What are its core principles? Seems like psuedoscience to me, but it is fun and can lead to personal insight in an unintended (or perhaps) coincidental way. I put in the same category as tarot cards (which I read by the way) for their intuitive insight.

    BTW: I'm Scorpio with Aquarius Rising. Scorpians RoCK!!!! Ruler of Sex, Death and the Occult - doesn't get any better than that.

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    LOL. Joan, why are you getting scared? Is it my tone? Or just the fact that I'm into this stuff?

    Also, do you know what your moon sign is?

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    You're evil. Although that's probably a projection...

    Moon = Libra

    And that really matters...why?

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    This is Astrology's flow chart of core principles. I decided to make this just now.



    These are the core principles. For me, I only care about the essence of a person so rising sign is something I couldn't care less about. The interplay between a person's moon and sun sign with all these variables involved are what's important to me. For me, being a Capricorn Sun and an Aries moon has made things difficult and while I had always been a skeptic of astrology, discovering that my moon sign was an Aries was something of a revelation.

    I ignore all profiles, forecasts, and what-have-yous out there regarding astrology. They're total shit.

    These are the core principles that I use to characterize each sign and anything building on them is subject to dismissal. I look at the way the elements play with each other, I look at their temperaments and how they interact, and I look at how each component relates to the sun and moon position.

    If you don't know your moon sign, use this site: alabe.com/freechart. Birthdate, birthplace, and birthtime are all important, though birthtime is less so.

    I'm learning as I go, but yeah... this is how things got started for me. And I'm curious if there are any other Sun Capricorn/Moon Aries people who can relate to some of the things I've dealt with in my life.

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    More descriptions regarding each element of the flow chart (From Wikipedia) Natal Astrology:

    Masculine (Fire and Air signs): The masculine signs are Aries, Gemini, Leo, Libra, Sagittarius, and Aquarius. A native with these signs predominating will tend towards extroversion, confidence and assertiveness, and have the ability to solve problems with courage and enterprise.

    Feminine (Earth and Water signs): The feminine signs are Taurus, Cancer, Virgo, Scorpio, Capricorn, and Pisces. A native with these signs predominating will tend towards introversion, shyness and passivity, and have the ability to nurture, conserve and solve problems by intuitive means.

    Fire : The fires signs are Aries, Leo, and Sagittarius. A native with mainly fire signs will be energetic, enthusiastic and optimistic, with a need to be in the center of the action making things happen. They can be egotistical, headstrong and sometimes arrogant, but also can be generous, warm-hearted, and spontaneously kind. Fire subjects are independent and prefer to have control over their own lives, but they can also be sometimes autocratic. A subject lacking fire signs will be fearful or over-cautious, pessimistic and shy, and will lack enthusiasm, confidence and faith in the future. Planets in the 1st, 5th and 9th houses and an emphasis on cardinal signs in the chart will help to compensate for this lack.

    Earth : The earth signs are Taurus, Virgo, and Capricorn. A native with mainly earth signs will be practical and cautious, sensible and capable and will be happier with concrete things than abstract ideas. They move slowly and carry out their work in a thorough and unhurried manner. Earth subjects are shrewd and careful and need emotional and material security, and will put up with quite a lot to get it. They are generous to those they love, but are otherwise careful not to waste time or money, though there can be a tendency towards meanness. Earth subjects tend to be shy in social situations, and to be slow to commit in love relationships, but are serious when they do. A subject lacking earth signs will lack common sense and practicality and find it difficult to finish anything they start. They may be scatty, unrealistic and clumsy, hopeless with money and unreliable. Planets in the 2nd, 6th and 10th houses and an emphasis on fixed signs in the chart will help to compensate for this lack.

    Air : The air signs are Gemini, Libra, and Aquarius. A native with mainly air signs will be an excellent communicator, concerned with ideas and theories of all kinds. They are looking for answers to life's questions and make good teachers and writers. Air people are more tense than they appear at first sight and may live on their nerves. They have many friends and acquaintances but may not be particularly interested in family life. They are interested in the latest technologies and are able to do a number of things at once. Air subjects are also very imaginative and quick-witted, but may be sarcastic and rude. A subject lacking air signs will have little imagination and lightness of touch. They have an over-emphasis on practicalities and can lack a sense of humour, and be boring company. They can find it difficult to communicate or to assimilate and explain new ideas. Planets in the 3rd, 7th and 11th houses, and an emphasis on mutable signs in the chart will help to compensate for this lack.

    Water: The water signs are Cancer, Scorpio, and Pisces. A native with mainly water signs will be very emotional and find it hard to look at anything dispassionately. They tend to respond slowly to questions and need time to grasp a new concept. Water subjects can find it difficult to explain their feelings, and so can be difficult to live with, but they are also kind and sympathetic to those they love. They need to give and receive a lot of affection and will direct it towards family, close friends and animals. A subject lacking water may lack intuition and be unable to see the needs of others. They may be too full of ideas or too fond of the material world to consider their own spiritual needs or those of other people. Planets in the 4th, 8th and 12th houses in the chart will help to compensate for this lack.

    Cardinal : The cardinal signs are Aries, Cancer, Libra, and Capricorn. A native with mainly cardinal signs will not want to be held under anybody's thumb, and will need to take charge of their own world. Their attention may be concerned with themselves or others, but wherever their energies are directed it is difficult to deflect them from their chosen course. Cardinal signs in a chart will add courage, initiative and self-motivation. Cardinal subjects are hard to influence because they generally believe they know best. A subject lacking cardinal signs may feel they are never in control of their own lives, but are manipulated by people and circumstances beyond their control. They may lack courage and initiative and may prefer others to make decisions for them. Planets in the 1st, 4th, 7th and 10th houses, and an emphasis on fire and air signs in the chart will help to compensate for this lack.

    Fixed : The fixed signs are Taurus, Leo, Scorpio, and Aquarius. A native with mainly fixed signs has the strength and endurance to see things through and to uphold the status quo. They need stable homes, careers and partnerships and prefer the known to uncertainty. Fixed subjects are loyal and dependable but can be very obstinate. A subject lacking fixed signs cannot stick with anything or see anything through, and will tend to walk away from problems. They may be too easily bored or too busy chasing rainbows ever to make anything substantial happen. Planets in the 2nd, 5th, 8th and 11th houses, or an emphasis on earth in the chart will help to compensate for this lack.

    Mutable The mutable signs are Gemini, Virgo, Sagittarius, and Pisces. A native with mainly mutable signs are adaptable, co-operative and friendly. They can fit into almost any situation, put up with anything and turn any situation to their advantage. Mutable people can steer projects through periods of transition and bring them to a successful conclusion. Although gentle and likeable, mutable subjects seem to have more than their fair share of problems and can be selfish and ruthless when they feel threatened. These subjects may devote their lives to helping others, but they can often paradoxically be surprisingly selfish at the same time. Subjects lacking mutable signs may be unable to adapt to any kind of change and be particularly unhappy when faced with uncertainty. They need lots of notice before they will commit themselves to anything, and lack flexibility and adaptability. They may also hold onto rigid and unchanging views. Planets in the 3rd, 6th, 9th and 12th houses will help to compensate for this lack, and water signs in the chart will make up for the lack of intuition.

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    Second Best, let's have sex! It will be astrological, I promise.

    ...No, but seriously I love astrology. I also agree with you on forecasts and that nonsense being total and utter crap, though I like to take things in stride, so I read the newspaper horoscopes for the lolo, and see what it says. I've been learning about astrology since I was a kid, because personality typings has always been an interest of mine and obviously I had no idea such things as MBTI and Enneagrams of Personality existed. My signs are in my sig; the only one not mentioned is my Ascendant, which I don't remember; some sites tell me it's Leo, and others tell me it's Cancer, and I thiiink this one time I got the right sign, but I can't remember whether it's Leo or it's Cancer. At any rate, I was born the day after the Cancer/Leo cusp, so evidently I have quite a few Cancerian traits, in my opinion.

    But yeah, this topic is awesome.

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    Olol, according to the Cafe Astrology site thing, my Ascendant is Leo, k. All the other sigs are spot-on, so it must be right, I think.
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    LOL. You are definitely FIRE my friend.

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    Sun-Aquarius, Moon-Aries.

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    Sun- Pisces Moon - Taurus

    I'm not a big fan of zodiacs, astrological or Chinese. :P

    The fact that BOTH of my results sound exactly the same, and that I am the exact OPPOSITE of those descriptions has made me doubt...but maybe I don't know enough about it?

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    Sun Aries 11.05
    Moon Cancer 18.57
    Mercury Pisces 13.56
    Venus Aries 12.18 R
    Mars Cancer 18.19
    Jupiter Libra 9.37 R
    Saturn Aquarius 26.35
    Uranus Capricorn 21.55
    Neptune Capricorn 21.02
    Pluto Scorpio 25.14 R
    Lilith Pisces 18.33
    Asc node Sagittarius 14.33

    Going by the long and dull description, I am an ESTP.


    Yeah... Astrology's hell scientific.
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