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    Default Does a murderer deserve to be forgiven/to be happy?

    The question is simple enough. Or is it?

    There are a number of reasons why someone might have murdered another human being. A bout of rage, revenge, beliefs, survival etc....

    Murderers are sent to prisons to rot. That's a fact in most cases.

    Now, irrespective of all that...does a murderer deserve a second chance if he/she shows remorse?

    Does murderer deserve to be happy? More importantly, is someone who murdered a person once...suddenly a murderer - a person that kills other people?



    I used to have a great sense of compassion for some murderers when I was a kid. I would do something which I regretted and immediately think of murderers who regretted their crime...and see the impossibility of other people seeing past their/my own actions...and my heart would ache thinking about it. That probably has something to do with my partiality towards pariahs too...

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    Tho I find you thread a bit disturbing, here's my take on it:

    A murderer who shows remorse and has gone thru a lot of psychological tests to prove that, should deserve a second chance. Everyone should always deserve a second chance. I am still tho for damned strict laws on that and only in very exceptional cases the second chance rule should apply. It is debatable that you would have more murderers if you have more easy laws on murder, I dont necessarily think that someone who has the capability to kill someone is too much affected by law at all.

    But what I think is, a person who can kill another person, is a menace to society and should be taken out of it. Even when given a second chance, it will never be the same for him and it shouldnt. I dont think this for criminals only, I think this about military people aswell. A person who is capable of easily killing another person, must definitly not given too much personal freedom, because I think he's dangerous.

    It's difficult to tell what is the absolute right thing to do, but I definitly do not have compassion with a murderer. This a concept that's strange to me.
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    My thread is disturbing? Well, life is disturbing.

    To me the concept of compassion only makes sense if it's unbiased and is there for everyone. Otherwise it's hypocritical bullshit.

    While I understand the reasoning for keeping dangerous things away from society (and my thread is not meant to advocate legally pardoning murderers), I'm talking from an ethical standpoint. If fear of re-incidence wasn't an issue, would people forgive a murderer? That's basically the essence of the topic.

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    If it's 2nd or 3rd degree murder, and they show signs of remorse or those who observe them see that there as been a change for the better in their part, I feel like they should be let go (but under supervision).

    But it's much more complicated than that (some just need to be put into an asylum, others may need counseling or rehab, the motives of the murderer for killing someone may just be an accident, or they were drunk, or they just weren't in the right state of mind...it can be anything).

    I honestly believe that some murderers should be locked away for life, however. They show no remorse for other human beings and their suffering from what they have done, and cannot function in society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moiety View Post
    If fear of re-incidence wasn't an issue, would people forgive a murderer?
    Forgiveness should be given charitably. Anger, Vengeance, and stuff like that are destructive emotions. But would people forgive? 'course not. People are stupid.

    With security, 'fear' isn't the issue. It's about 'security'. You can fear something cute and harmless while looking down on the end of the world. People shouldn't pardon people out of emotions but out of safety. If safety is guaranteed, then negative emotions are only negative.

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    But if one guarantees safety merely by ensuring we are physically separated by the murderer, what's the point in forgiving in our mind, if we are not gonna come in contact with that person again anyway?

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    everything is gray...i can't say yes or no to any of it...everything depends on context. i do not believe in the death penalty tho..i believe in appropriate consequences...they should be locked up without privileges that go beyond basic human rights and offered counseling...and depending on the nature of the crime... possibly allowed another chance..or...not.
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    To the OP: yes and yes...depending. There is nothing to say that a murderer cannot gain forgiveness with enough contrition, nor is there any reason why they shouldn't be allowed to find some happiness. If the later were not true, then why not just execute every murderer, since life without the hope of some joy isn't really worth living? Having said that, I do not believe in the death penalty. the concept of justice should include empathy at it's core.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moiety View Post
    To me the concept of compassion only makes sense if it's unbiased and is there for everyone. Otherwise it's hypocritical bullshit.
    I agree with this.

    But I have a great deal of proud and that would stand in the way of giving compassion to anyone. I see it from the standpoint that like trust, compassion has to be earned and if I see for example starving third world country people on television, I dont feel compassionate about them, I feel unfairness, injustice, not equal distribution of goods or rights for everyone. But compassion, at least to me, has like trust to be earned.
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    It's your own responsibility to make yourself happy, whether you're behind bars or not. No one "deserves" to be happy. Murderers are behind bars because they've proven themselves to be a threat to society. Remorse doesn't make them any less of a threat. They've already shown what they are capable of (or incapable of -- controlling themselves).

    And who says you can't be happy behind bars? You can read, socialise, exercise, even work. You get taken care of. At least in the States. I don't know if it's possible to be happy in some other countries' prisons.

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