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    Quote Originally Posted by Sytpg View Post
    I think those personality quirks you can pick up from some people's pics would be in the sense of "how would the general populace react to this face" and try to tell a story by it. "Oh, I associate this face with goofiness" etc In the end, imo, it proves my point that our face shapes our personality via how people react to it over the years.
    Nah, I'm talking about facial expressions, how they choose to present themselves, what they chose as their identifying photographs...the same face can look serious and mean or goofy and endearing. It's not just about physical appearance. I can't see how you're missing personality that much. Either that, or I'm just drawn to some interesting characters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady X View Post
    i just honestly think it's not the gene cocktail that shapes your appearance but your personality that does.
    That is somewhat true but my opinion though is that your physical appearance appearance shapes your personality even more so. Your real appearance, not the mannerism. The face you are born with.

    And you conveniently gave examples of plain looking people acquiring charming personalities. What about downright ugly people with charming personalities. How come they seem to be so rare in comparison??

    Because as kids they grew up with a self-idendity of being ugly. Never got complimented, didn't like their face when looking in the mirror, and probably developed too many social walls to protect their ego from others, to have the assertiveness and self-assuredness needed to have a charismatic personality in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    Nah, I'm talking about facial expressions, how they choose to present themselves, what they chose as their identifying photographs...the same face can look serious and mean or goofy and endearing. It's not just about physical appearance. I can't see how you're missing personality that much. Either that, or I'm just drawn to some interesting characters.
    Please don't play that card. I'm quite aware of those little subtleties. I'm an ENFP myself. I just don't accept the idea that someone sees me in two different days in two different occasions sporting a certain kind of mood or colors or whatever...and has drawn a series of conclusions based on that.

    There's a reason why some peope photoshop their pictures, and take picture from certain angles all over the internet. There is a lot that can be concocted. But I get what you are saying. I'm saying I only agree to a slight instead. It's not overall representative of one's personality.

    My friends know I have a big deal of empathy and everyone agrees I can be quite intimidating at first or second or third look. Using typology as an example, you can get an 8 vibe from me in real life....and all of it, my face my demeanor, my voice, my body language would incline you to thing I'm a typical 8 (ETJish) when in fact...in terms of cognition, what lies inside, I'm as ENFP as they come.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sytpg View Post
    Please don't play that card. I'm quite aware of those little subtleties. I'm an ENFP myself.
    Defensive...

    I just don't accept the idea that someone sees me in two different days in two different occasions sporting a certain kind of mood or colors or whatever...and has drawn a series of conclusions based on that.

    There's a reason why some peope photoshop their pictures, and take picture from certain angles all over the internet. There is a lot that can be concocted. But I get what you are saying. I'm saying I only agree to a slight instead. It's not overall representative of one's personality.

    My friends know I have a big deal of empathy and everyone agrees I can be quite intimidating at first or second or third look. Using typology as an example, you can get an 8 vibe from me in real life....and all of it, my face my demeanor, my voice, my body language would incline you to thing I'm a typical 8 (ETJish) when in fact...in terms of cognition, what lies inside, I'm as ENFP as they come.

    Well of course what you're saying is true, but you're splitting hairs now. You can't learn everything from a photograph album or from meeting someone once or twice.

    In person I apparently come across as IxFJ sometimes, but if you heard me talk in vent, you might think I was an ENTJ. And usually people who have known me for a while notice how assertive and bold I can be, that the quietness or reserve or charm they see in the beginning isn't the whole story. People who encounter me on-line in writing are convinced of ENFx or even ESFP...but largely they're seeing what I'm like in writing or in pictures...they're seeing a bit of the truth - admittedly people on-line might see more of the 'real' inner me than some individuals who encounter me IRL - but they're also seeing a creative show sometimes.

    You're always just seeing bits and pieces. If you want to split hairs, we can say we never really know anyone. And you sure as fuck don't know someone until you live with them...

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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    Defensive...
    Oh, I get it now. So I need to pull a PM tantrum to prove I have tertiary Te is that it?

    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    Well of course what you're saying is true, but you're splitting hairs now. You can't learn everything from a photograph album or from meeting someone once or twice.

    In person I apparently come across as IxFJ sometimes, but if you heard me talk in vent, you might think I was an ENTJ. And usually people who have known me for a while notice how assertive and bold I can be, that the quietness or reserve or charm they see in the beginning isn't the whole story. People who encounter me on-line in writing are convinced of ENFx or even ESFP...but largely they're seeing what I'm like in writing or in pictures...they're seeing a bit of the truth - admittedly people on-line might see more of the 'real' inner me than some individuals who encounter me IRL - but they're also seeing a creative show sometimes.

    You're always just seeing bits and pieces. If you want to split hairs, we can say we never really know anyone. And you sure as fuck don't know someone until you live with them...

    I'm seeing bits and pieces? I think I'm saying the big picture. Like you said, you can't learn much from a picture. I'm just saying that how you were born influences how you are perceived by other people and influences how you BEHAVE and influences your mannerisms and your overall capacity to be perceived as charismatic too.

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    I'm aight, but could stand for a good deal of improvement.
    Other people's opinions aren't too important to me. The negative or the positive really have nothing to stand on if my opinion of myself isn't cohesive with it.
    My opinion of myself is very important. It's not been the best opinion for a good while, but I'm determined to fix that.

    The problem behind my procrastination on bettering my self-image has been those people who view another person's appearance as a punishable offence. Opinions and shallowness are normal. Punishing another human being for their appearance can be a whole other ballgame.

    This isn't to say that I'm not shallow, because I am. I've gone out of my way to interact with the more attractive person over the less attractive one. I've had others go out of their way to neglect me for our more attractive mutual friends. Etc. Personality does play a huge factor in my interactions though. If I'm neglected for someone with less personality, but more attractive traits.. that's a slap in the face. I'd feel the same if I chose to treat people that way, but I don't.
    I also want to be a very attractive person, but not just to be attractive. I long for an appearance that matches how confidently I view my inner world. That, and the prospect of being a double is an intriguing one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sytpg View Post
    Oh, I get it now. So I need to pull a PM tantrum to prove I have tertiary Te is that it?
    No. It's just that you whine a lot about Fi things in threads where it has nothing to do with anything...like sexy music thread or man hands thread...and it's like, um...seems like Fi-dom thing to do.



    I'm seeing bits and pieces? I think I'm saying the big picture. Like you said, you can't learn much from a picture. I'm just saying that how you were born influences how you are perceived by other people and influences how you BEHAVE and influences your mannerisms and your overall capacity to be perceived as charismatic too.
    No, you're misunderstanding me. I think a lot of your problems here may be coming from the language thing. I'm saying EVERYONE just sees bits and pieces of other people's personalities, whether it's on-line or IRL, unless you've spent a great deal of time with someone, even lived with them.

    Yeah, perhaps people who are told they are cute a lot or who are adored by their mother (even if they aren't all that physically attractive) or who took dance/theater/singing/etc. are people who grow up to have more charisma. And average looking or plain people can develop charisma due to these means.

    You're saying that a truly ugly person doesn't develop charm or charisma? What if they did it because they felt like they weren't physically attractive or something and wanted to be noticed and loved for something else?

    I don't know, man. You're just theorizing. You could be right, but it's something you'd have to do research on...you'd have to collect evidence and do tests with large numbers of people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unkindloving View Post
    I'm aight, but could stand for a good deal of improvement.
    Other people's opinions aren't too important to me. The negative or the positive really have nothing to stand on if my opinion of myself isn't cohesive with it.
    My opinion of myself is very important. It's not been the best opinion for a good while, but I'm determined to fix that..
    That's ultimately how I feel. Bad or good comments stay with me for awhile, but ultimately, my attitude is up to me. And I've been bad and good to myself over the years.

    I think my own personal sense of positive self-image is improved from both psychological/spiritual factors and health (not fitness necessarily.. I just mean a total holistic/nutritious thing.. that would probably go a long way).

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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    No. It's just that you whine a lot about Fi things in threads where it has nothing to do with anything...like sexy music thread or man hands thread...and it's like, um...seems like Fi-dom thing to do.
    Has nothing to do with anything? I don't know about you, but I view the world through values. And I'm sure by now you've found the pattern between these three threads. Image, sexiness, appearances, shallowness.

    My Fi is very much developed yes. But I'm an E. Who analyzes life believes in depth in every human interaction. Or maybe is just a whiner. Your call.


    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    No, you're misunderstanding me. I think a lot of your problems here may be coming from the language thing. I'm saying EVERYONE just sees bits and pieces of other people's personalities, whether it's on-line or IRL, unless you've spent a great deal of time with someone, even lived with them.

    Yeah, perhaps people who are told they are cute a lot or who are adored by their mother (even if they aren't all that physically attractive) or who took dance/theater/singing/etc. are people who grow up to have more charisma. And average looking or plain people can develop charisma due to these means.

    You're saying that a truly ugly person doesn't develop charm or charisma? What if they did it because they felt like they weren't physically attractive or something and wanted to be noticed and loved for something else?

    I don't know, man. You're just theorizing. You could be right, but it's something you'd have to do research on...you'd have to collect evidence and do tests with large numbers of people.
    I interact with a lot of people and I have eyes. Philosophers are just theorizing, what good could come from philosophy without empirical "evidence"? As if philosophy or morality or ethics was based on anything else but real facts and experiences.

    But you are not the first to call me highly theoretical. Whatever. I think it's one of my strengths, not weaknesses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sytpg View Post
    Has nothing to do with anything? I don't know about you, but I view the world through values. And I'm sure by now you've found the pattern between these three threads. Image, sexiness, appearances, shallowness.
    You marched in and projected your own values and your own complaints about yourself in fluffy, fun threads which were about sex. Sure, I view the world through values, but do you also go to strip clubs and start lecturing the dancers? Do you frequent porn sites so you can chastize the moderators?

    My Fi is very much developed yes. But I'm an E. Who analyzes life believes in depth in every human interaction. Or maybe is just a whiner. Your call.
    Actually, what I saw wasn't depth - I saw you projecting your personal issues onto something totally lighthearted that didn't involve discussion or argument. Yeah, your behavior sometimes here does strike me as a bit whiny, and male INFPs sometimes strike me that way. But I'm not turning this into an ad hominem war, because I have no interest in doing so. I'm also not challenging your type here. You brought up that Te tantrum thing, and that was my response.



    I interact with a lot of people and I have eyes. Philosophers are just theorizing, what good could come from philosophy without empirical "evidence"? As if philosophy or morality or ethics was based on anything else but real facts and experiences.

    But you are not the first to call me highly theoretical. Whatever. I think it's one of my strengths, not weaknesses.
    Oh - wait- we're having this discussion again. Good grief. I think you're dismissing empirial evidence, so I can't agree with you one way or the other. What you're doing is anecdotal speculation - I do it all of the time myself, but at least admit that's what it is.

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