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    ^ You are mistaken.

    I am only talking about the characters in the novel.

    Carlisle

    Edward

    Jacob

    Charlie

    and Bella are all lovely characters.

    Ideal, if anything.

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    In Romance Novels, the ones I read, at least, the heroines are always strong, highly intelligent women, and the heroes are always ideal Men, smart, insightful, handsome, wise, deep, and feminine in a non-pussy sense. :P

    I've read a SHIT TON of romance novels.

    And, this is ALWAYS the case.



    Stephanie Meyer is probably the least intelligent of the writers I like, but still, you have these intelligent female writers who create characters who in some way emulate an aspect of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SillySapienne View Post
    Ideal, if anything.
    And depthless, basically.
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    ^ How many romance novels have you read?
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    Judith McNaught does NOT write depthless characters.

    Many great romance novelists do not.

    Even in the case of the Twilight Saga, the characters did have depth, well, some of them at least.

    But seriously, Black Cat, which have you read, by whom, and how many?
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    What are your thoughts on Jane Austen, Chuck Palahniuk?

    There are so many great authors who actually write romance.

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    I'm pretty sure BC (and everyone else in the thread) was only referring to the twilight characters, not romance characters in general.

    I've heard from many many people that the twilight characters are shallow, immature and emotionally unstable (well mostly bella) and from not a one (until now) to the contrary. not really enough of a selling point to bother reading the books myself, let alone see the movies. I've read some hilarious parodies referring to this too, and not much (actually nothing at all) to redeem them.

    perhaps that's mostly reflecting the acting quality though (which also seems to be awful) more than the written characters necessarily. I'm sure more people have seen the movies than read the books.

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    The Scarlet Letter, A Farewell to Arms...




    Have you read these novels?

    Did you think the characters were depth-less?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Randomnity View Post
    I'm pretty sure BC was only referring to the twilight characters, not romance characters in general.

    I've heard from many many people that the twilight characters are shallow, immature and emotionally unstable (well mostly bella) and from not a one (until now) to the contrary. not really enough of a selling point to bother reading the books myself, let alone see the movies. I've read some hilarious parodies referring to this too, and not much (actually nothing at all) to redeem them.

    perhaps that's mostly reflecting the acting quality though (which also seems to be awful) more than the written characters necessarily. I'm sure more people have seen the movies than read the books.

    (How Twilight Works - The Oatmeal)
    Hmmm...

    Well, you're an ISTP.

    My ex is an ISTP, and he thinks romance novels and the Twilight craze thing are exhibitions of human retardation to the maximum.

    Anyhow...

    Listen, if you understand and, or like the concept of idealized love, then Bella is not immature, and emotionally unstable.

    She and Edward are soulmates, barf if you want, but that's the whole point of romance novels, to allow us to imagine what it would be like, feel like to find The One.

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    I consider the (movie) series the female equivalent of the Transformer series. To wit:

    -Obviously, both are adaptations of an already fairly popular properties
    -Both received flak for bastardizing established culturally icons (Transformers/vampires)
    -Both are critic proof (no matter how bad the reviews are, they will be one of the highest grossing films of the year)
    -In both cases, characters are uniformly one-dimensional or one-note
    -In both cases, the plot is mostly incoherent/non-existent
    -Both are the incredibly stereotypical idea of 14-year-old male or female fantasy (random non-stop action-y nonsense on the one hand, faaaar too dramatic romantic intensity on the other)
    -Both rely heavily on their carefully chosen eye candy, eye candy chosen so well they actually have their own career and can make a movie a hit just by having their name attached without even proving they can actually act well (Megan Fox/Robert Pattinson & Taylor Lautner)
    -Both also have a forgettable, supposedly generically relatable main character played by someone who has also been made way more famous by the movies for some odd reason.
    -Both have had the two leads say or imply they think the movies (and in Twilight's case, source material) suck.
    -Both have inspired some amount of genuine controversy (Transformers for its racist caricatures, Twilight for it's "abstinence-only" message, heavily positive portrayal of Edward who fits a lot of symptoms of an emotionally abusive man, and possible anti-feminism).

    This opinion is reflective of common arguments against both series, and does not necessarily reflect the poster's thoughts.

    But I can't take either of those series.
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