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    Default Righteousness vs being Self-Righteous???

    The difference between these two words is very subtle and I use this as a discussion for students dealing with clients in the future. Like most I expect, I aspire towards Righteousness but still slip occasionally into the Self-righteous. What I find astonishing is that a large proportion of the world, particularly those of fanaticism and extreme religious or political beliefs, permanently live in the Self-Righteousness sphere.

    Typically self-examining XNTP I often ponder on this. Where do you stand?

    The Oxford Dictionary Online defines:
    righteousness (right¦eous|ness)

    Pronunciation:/ˈrʌɪtʃəsnəs/
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    [mass noun] the quality of being morally right or justifiable:we had little doubt about the righteousness of our cause conviction of his own moral righteousness gave his oratory an irresistible power

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    self-righteous (self-righteous)


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    having or characterized by a certainty, especially an unfounded one , that one is totally correct or morally superior:self-righteous indignation and complacency
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    i can be misguided, incorrect, rebellious, and stubborn about some random things not pertaining to ethics, but self-righteous is not something i'm guilty of (much!). i don't want to say i'm righteous either..if i get vocal, i'm simply trying to be fair.. and have more than myself in mind.

    i would also consider myself "religious" (for lack of a better word), but in an individual/syncretic way. i'm sure i self examine as much as NTP. thinking about what's good or ethical is one of the most important things to me. i don't want to be ignorant or wrong about them..and i'm only sure about some fundamental things at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    i can be misguided, incorrect, rebellious, and stubborn about some random things not pertaining to ethics, but self-righteous is not something i'm guilty of (much!). i don't want to say i'm righteous either..if i get vocal, i'm simply trying to be fair.. and have more than myself in mind.

    i would also consider myself "religious" (for lack of a better word), but in an individual/syncretic way. i'm sure i self examine as much as NTP. thinking about what's good or ethical is one of the most important things to me. i don't want to be ignorant or wrong about them..and i'm only sure about some fundamental things at this point.
    I would like to think that this is the motivation for all mankind - it is an admirable aspiration!
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    Here's my definition.

    Righteousness;
    usually claimed, not given, and often said with a distinct superficial voice. It is often used on both sides in a dispute. Abused by people who often think in terms of black and white.

    Self-Righteous;
    usually given, not claimed, and often said with a distinct superficial voice. It is often used on both sides in a dispute. Abused by people who often think in terms of black and white.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angell_m View Post
    Here's my definition.

    Righteousness;
    usually claimed, not given, and often said with a distinct superficial voice. It is often used on both sides in a dispute. Abused by people who often think in terms of black and white.

    Self-Righteous;
    usually given, not claimed, and often said with a distinct superficial voice. It is often used on both sides in a dispute. Abused by people who often think in terms of black and white.
    For me the true meaning of righteousness is the person who is a living example of doing the right thing but makes no claims to it.

    Your definition in fact is another aspect of self-righteousness.
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    I'd say... the difference is a component of humility. Perhaps a willingness to consider that you could be wrong/not see the entire picture, that other people could have something to offer.
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    There is no inherent good in someone else's righteousness if it harms others and there is nothing bad in another's self-righteousness if it helps others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sytpg View Post
    There is no inherent good in someone else's righteousness if it harms others and there is nothing bad in another's self-righteousness if it helps others.
    Interesting perspective!?? I need to digest that for a while and test it against my own truths
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sytpg View Post
    There is no inherent good in someone else's righteousness if it harms others and there is nothing bad in another's self-righteousness if it helps others.
    I think I see where you're going, except I'm wondering if you're missing one key person that self-righteousness harms: The person who is self-righteous.
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    An alcoholic is somebody I don´t like who drinks as much as I do.

    I´d like to go with Gromit´s idea that - if we want to assume that the difference is not just that I am righteous and you are self-righteous - it is the humility and willingness to question yourseld once in a while that distinguishes the two.

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