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    Default What do you advise a "bad" person to do?

    What if a people's inherent nature made them bad people?

    Say they have moral sensibilities that are quite different from the norm.
    Suppose they are lazy, arrogant, and don't want to physically DO anything.

    Suppose going against their nature makes them feel frustrated.

    What would you advise such people to do?

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    What's wrong with being lazy and arrogant? Some people are just born like that... think of most aristocrats in the past eras.

    People who aren't as motivated physically usually have a lot going on in their minds. Although some are genuinely just lazy.

    Well, I'd advise them to try and find something that demanded as little interpersonal or physical interaction from them as possible as a career. After all, if they're smart, they'll know they have to do something whether they want to or not, so they might as well make it easier on themselves.

    What do you think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ygolo View Post
    What if a people's inherent nature made them bad people?

    Say they have moral sensibilities that are quite different from the norm.
    Suppose they are lazy, arrogant, and don't want to physically DO anything.

    Suppose going against their nature makes them feel frustrated.

    What would you advise such people to do?
    What? You saying I'm a bad person!

    I'll have you know that I've got lazy and arrogant down to an art.

    People only get out of life what they put into it. If somebody puts nothing into life then they will get no worthwhile returns. It's their choice and their loss. There would be no sense losing sleep over what another person chooses to do with their life. Eventually they will figure it out themselves or one day find their life to be terribly empty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ygolo View Post
    What if a people's inherent nature made them bad people?

    Say they have moral sensibilities that are quite different from the norm.
    Suppose they are lazy, arrogant, and don't want to physically DO anything.
    Hey, I'm lazy, arrogant, don't want to physically do anything and have contrary moral sensibilities. You got a problem with that, chump?

    Suppose going against their nature makes them feel frustrated.

    What would you advise such people to do?
    You haven't explained how any of that is a bad thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ygolo View Post
    What if a people's inherent nature made them bad people?

    Say they have moral sensibilities that are quite different from the norm.
    Suppose they are lazy, arrogant, and don't want to physically DO anything.

    Suppose going against their nature makes them feel frustrated.

    What would you advise such people to do?
    There's no way to answer that question without knowing the person as well as you know them.
    Does this person want your advice? Did they ask for it? Because if they didn't you're kind of wasting your breath.

    A lack of moral sensibilities is something for professionals to help a person with.

    If they're lazy and arrogant and unmotivated, they need a dream and some goals toward reaching their dream. If they're too emotionally damaged to dream, then they need professional help.

    Of course, going against their nature makes them feel frustrated. Isn't that what MBTI teaches? Help them see what their gifts and talents are, not what they are not.

    Some people are emotionally damaged. Their need for healing is hidden from the outside world. They don't have an obvious broken arm or leg, but it's something just as debilitating, or worse. They need time, professional help, and unconditional love.

    Is this person emotionally well, or not?

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    INTJmom hit the nail on the head. Why would you try to change the person / was your advice sought firstly?

    It makes a difference if someone wants to change or not?

    Laziness can be a norm, methinks. Nature to take the easy way out if possible, no? I doubt there're many people who'd work hard if they didn't have to..

    Inaction is a curse of (over)thinkers sometimes. . .

    Going against your own nature always frustrates. So there has to exist a good motivation for that. But that has to be something someone realises over time, on their own. As a friend, you could guide them to alternate perspectives, but you cannot force the choice for them. It is their lives, not yours.

    And it would be difficult to force someone to "be normal" if that is not normal to them, and they see no reason to be that way, simply.

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    The advise was solicited. I know this person very well.

    What if this person cannot see his/her own talents strengths, and/or believes the things mentioned as strenghts are not real?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ygolo View Post
    The advise was solicited. I know this person very well.
    That's an important part of the battle won then.

    What if this person cannot see his/her own talents strengths, and/or believes the things mentioned as strenghts are not real?
    Is it fear that is keeping him from action then, vs laziness as you first said?

    Perhaps the person does not trust his/her own abilities, or more accurately, has not found an outlet where his talents are recognised and can grow to a level where competence gives him more personal confidence.

    Usually, we're encouraged to continue doing something good if we receive acknowledgement for it - a positive feedback loop, in a way?

    Perhaps at the start, try find something you could do with your friend, where his talents could be an advantage? Having someone to go someway down the road with you is helpful. e.g. to use an example: An exercise buddy encourages one to do something unpleasant, after a while, it becomes part of the routine, and you can carry on on your own without the constant support.

    Words will only help so far, he'd still have to take action at some time. Probably the best you can do is to trigger that action vs merely tell him he's good and can/should do more, especially if he does not trust his own ability or your words?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aelan View Post
    Perhaps the person does not trust his/her own abilities, or more accurately, has not found an outlet where his talents are recognised and can grow to a level where competence gives him more personal confidence.

    Usually, we're encouraged to continue doing something good if we receive acknowledgement for it - a positive feedback loop, in a way?

    Perhaps at the start, try find something you could do with your friend, where his talents could be an advantage? Having someone to go someway down the road with you is helpful. e.g. to use an example: An exercise buddy encourages one to do something unpleasant, after a while, it becomes part of the routine, and you can carry on on your own without the constant support.

    Words will only help so far, he'd still have to take action at some time. Probably the best you can do is to trigger that action vs merely tell him he's good and can/should do more, especially if he does not trust his own ability or your words?
    It is really hard to find ways to utilize this persons natural strengths without having to make extensive effort in weak areas.

    What this person is only good at generating ideas (whether they are good or not is subjective, I suppose) clarifiying them based on a growing knowledge base, and can creating plans/strategies for the future. But this person is not at all interested in actually implementing them or convincing others to implement them? In fact, this person finds imlementation draining, mind-numbing, and depressing, and finds the act of convincing someone else repulsive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ygolo View Post
    It is really hard to find ways to utilize this persons natural strengths without having to make extensive effort in weak areas.

    What is this person is only good at generating ideas (whether they are good or not is subjective, I suppose). clarifiying them based on a growing knowledge base, and can create plans/strategies for the future, but is not at all interested in actually implementing them or convincing others to implement them? In fact, this person finds imlementation draining, mind-numbing, and depressing, and finds the act of convincing someone else repulsive.
    * That's part of development isn't it, to enhance the strong areas, but also to remedy the weak ones too? If we were realistic, you cannot succeed based on strengths alone without correcting some weaknesses too - or take it another way, to hone our strengths with more supportive traits.

    I think your friend has to be encouraged, but with a firm hand. It is a line you'd have to draw with being overly critical and with being too supportive such that his personal discipline doesn't develop, or he relies on you too much.

    * I think planners are always welcome in most fields, no? I'd think many people would be happy to have someone generate ideas, but who does not want a leadership position or to do actual operations, and prefers to stay behind the scenes, so to speak. Outsourcing the thinking

    Perhaps what is lacking is communication and inter-relationship skills then, to communicate the ideas such that others can understand it well enough to implement it - takes the stress of that part away from him.

    And sufficient exposure to be able to test the ideas and gain a real sense of what works and doesn't work - avoiding the ivory tower trap, in a way.

    Whether or not he has to convince someone to implement it, is then a question of how much personal involvement he seeks. Consultants for e.g. will do their studies, and recommend strategies for their clients. But they do not force their clients to implement. The value of the consultant is in creating implementable strategies, which others can follow.

    I'm wondering if your friend starts getting involved with some volunteer work, will it help him see outside of himself for a bit, and that his planning skills can be of good use to others, also for him to gain a sense of realism/environment?

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