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    Philip Larkin - This Be The Verse

    They fuck you up, your mum and dad.
    They may not mean to, but they do.
    They fill you with the faults they had
    And add some extra, just for you.

    But they were fucked up in their turn
    By fools in old-style hats and coats,
    Who half the time were soppy-stern
    And half at one another's throats.

    Man hands on misery to man.
    It deepens like a coastal shelf.
    Get out as early as you can,
    And don't have any kids yourself.

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    HaHa...yup.. I can relate..

    I like these particular lines below..

    Quote Originally Posted by Mystic Tater View Post

    Man hands on misery to man.
    It deepens like a coastal shelf.
    Get out as early as you can,
    And don't have any kids yourself.
    This is actually why I don't want to have children..There has yet to be anyone in my family tree that isn't a criminal... it seems like my family tree just seems to get worse and worse generationally.. ..Which means that my child would probably be a full blown psychopath... So I figured I would end the curse with me.

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    So true .. Does anyone come with a manual though?

    Everyone is learning from their mistakes .. Just because they are Mom/Dad, they are not exempt from this.
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    I approve of it.

    And I swear I've heard it before...I don't recall where.

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    It seems Philip Larkin was considered a great poet of his time. I will be reading some of his other efforts, but if this proves to be typical of his work, then it might explain why poetry doesn't sell anymore. If it was written when he was in his teens it might pass as an artistic representation of the tendency for the young to find fault in everyone and everything, except it would then be stating the obvious. Whatever his age was at the time, it's seems poorly written, but in those years it was considered artistic to condemn. Tossing in a profanity could guarantee success if the message was negative enough.

    No, I don't believe poetry has to be optimistic, but I do think it should either take us beyond the common emotional experience, which he didn't do, or find clever ways to express what it is to experience life.

    I much prefer Richard Brautigan or even Thomas Disch, even if the latter often wrote with a depressive outlook. Both committed suicide, so maybe I'm just a poor judge of what value poetry adds to life.
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    bit depressing but it's alright.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Accept View Post
    It seems Philip Larkin was considered a great poet of his time. I will be reading some of his other efforts, but if this proves to be typical of his work, then it might explain why poetry doesn't sell anymore. If it was written when he was in his teens it might pass as an artistic representation of the tendency for the young to find fault in everyone and everything, except it would then be stating the obvious. Whatever his age was at the time, it's seems poorly written, but in those years it was considered artistic to condemn. Tossing in a profanity could guarantee success if the message was negative enough.

    No, I don't believe poetry has to be optimistic, but I do think it should either take us beyond the common emotional experience, which he didn't do, or find clever ways to express what it is to experience life.

    I much prefer Richard Brautigan or even Thomas Disch, even if the latter often wrote with a depressive outlook. Both committed suicide, so maybe I'm just a poor judge of what value poetry adds to life.
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    I think he is vain to believe that his tragedy means ours, but its a decent poem.

    Tell me what you think of the following poem:

    Those Winter Sundays
    by Robert Hayden

    Sundays too my father got up early
    and put his clothes on in the blueblack cold,
    then with cracked hands that ached
    from labor in the weekday weather made
    banked fires blaze. No one ever thanked him.

    I'd wake and hear the cold splintering, breaking.
    When the rooms were warm, he'd call,
    and slowly I would rise and dress,
    fearing the chronic angers of that house,

    Speaking indifferently to him,
    who had driven out the cold
    and polished my good shoes as well.
    What did I know, what did I know
    of love's austere and lonely offices?

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    I shouldn't reply... I adore my parents, but this would open up an entire world of resentment
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    I wrote a poem on a similar theme once, but it was more... what's the word? Poetic, that's it.

    Mr Larkin has intuited an important aspect of human experiencing, perhaps, but his effort is rather simplistic and the specifics are so peculiar to himself that I think many people are not going to relate to it all that much. There's an important underlying principle he seems to be touching on, a truly universal experience, that he either wasn't a good enough thinker to comprehend properly or a good enough poet to express fully; perhaps a mixture of both.
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