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    Quote Originally Posted by poki View Post
    Please explain a little more why cheating makes you feel unauthentic? Is it because alot of other people do it as well and to struggle with things seems more authentic?
    You mean cheating in a relationship?

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    Being authentic is not in the details of what it is you do, but the fact that when you roll everything up no one is like you.
    Oh I disagree. The details matter a lot. Your MO is important.

    I understand where an ISTJ would need things to jive first before doing it.
    I'm actually an ENFP. It's just there as a hint to my shadow nature and to fight bias when newcomers read my posts.

    That to me is trying it on. Experiencers do things differently then introverts.
    I have a very high Fi. It overthrows my Ne most of the time. This picture of the reckless ENFP just isn't me at all.

    I have made a comment "I like the way you make me feel". I tend to try people on alot The only time I have huge problems while being married is not the fact that I tried someone on, but its dependent on the combination of feelings that I tried on. Its strange and hard to explain, but I can do the exact same action while trying on a different feeling. This is a struggle for me right now and I am learning and changing, but I am doing it through experience and I may stumble at times, but I am growing and changing in a way that fits myself.
    I don't understand what you are hinting at here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by professor goodstain View Post
    sometimes when i fake it a little (or alot) i'll start to crack up right then and there. usually in small laughter. i know what you mean. but when a good 'fake it' job is in order...when it really counts, i can produce and hold in the 'crack up' for later.
    my justification: i'll never loose touch with my authenticity due to being aware of when i'm fakin it. i know when it's superficial, i think you do to. or you wouldn't be so aware to the point of even making a thread that second guesses. you trust yourself enough to this very point of second guessing.
    go, my friend...into the brave new world of exploring different levels of fakin it. you will not compromise your values. you will find (a somewhat) precise recipe for each situation or combination of spontaneous situations. if it is not perfect...neither are the people or environment existing around it. you will find that your authenticity shines....specially when you can't help but to crack up at the least convenient time in accordance with superficial social rules
    Well if I'm molding myself to be accommodated by my environment or to accommodate my environment.....what exactly is this freakin abstract concept of authenticity anyway?

    What sets me apart from someone who is inauthentic?

    And do I want a life of constant struggle, and taking the less natural path of tailoring my approach? Won't it be draining after a while?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sytpg View Post
    Blackcat : Yeah, I get it. I've been doing just that lately. It still feels very weird.



    Hmm, maybe. I must say it was because I learned about other frames of references that I even thought of changing in the first place.



    If you disengage from people that you are not close to in that manner, how are you having a high opinion of others?


    Me thinking most people are stupid does not deter me from being honest and understanding why they are like they are and wanting to help them become better. I'm hard with people BECAUSE I respect them. I respect everyone's intellect in the sense that I think everyone is capable of everything that I'm capable. I hate condescending or ignoring people...by ignoring people I'm not reaching out and I'm not connecting, I'm isolating myself from the world.
    i was talking of an instance where i might not like someone...say i was at a party and someone i didn't know came up saying a bunch of idiotic sexist or racist or whatever else things that i dislike...i would most likely just roll my eyes and walk away...or say reeeal nice dude or something sarcastically and walk away...disengage.

    this sort of thing doesn't happen often and that's why i say for the most part i have a high opinion of people i meet.

    but i guess the difference is...you encounter someone like that and think their views are idiotic but they must have the same level of intelligence as you so your approach would be to tell it like it is...and hopefully change their opinion?

    not to say...this is the sort of thing you were even talking about at all...but yeah that's the sort of instance that would make me just disengage...it would just put me off instantly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady X View Post
    i was talking of an instance where i might not like someone...say i was at a party and someone i didn't know came up saying a bunch of idiotic sexist or racist or whatever else things that i dislike...i would most likely just roll my eyes and walk away...or say reeeal nice dude or something sarcastically and walk away...disengage.
    What if that person was merely being a dick but would defend women and eskimos when it was time to act?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lady X View Post
    but i guess the difference is...you encounter someone like that and think their views are idiotic but they must have the same level of intelligence as you so your approach would be to tell it like it is...and hopefully change their opinion?
    Yes, or at very least give that person feedback. I HATE ignoring people. It's like I shut them out, and I don't like shutting people out, good or bad. If I shut someone out I have to explain my reasons for doing so. It's the only thing in my minds that breeds evolution...instead of ignoring the problems I see around me...I address them. If bad apples can't turn into good apples how is the world to become more beautiful?

    We just isolate the bad apples and leave them to rot far from us?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sytpg View Post
    You mean cheating in a relationship?
    Yes


    Quote Originally Posted by Sytpg View Post
    Oh I disagree. The details matter a lot. Your MO is important.
    Why do details matter alot? For ever detail that makes someone different it also makes them like someone else. Its only when you start to combine details that you start to find less and less people like yourself. You become authentic.



    Quote Originally Posted by Sytpg View Post
    I'm actually an ENFP. It's just there as a hint to my shadow nature and to fight bias when newcomers read my posts.
    I always wondered, I thought I remembered you being an ENFP.


    Quote Originally Posted by Sytpg View Post
    I have a very high Fi. It overthrows my Ne most of the time. This picture of the reckless ENFP just isn't me at all.
    I have yet to meet a reckless ENFP, or maybe I just shy away from them. Even the most flirty ones will draw a line. I dont like the stigmatism or picture of ENFPs at all, nor ESFPs. They dont match what I see. The reckless is just surface reckless.


    Quote Originally Posted by Sytpg View Post
    I don't understand what you are hinting at here.
    I am not hinting at anything, other then you need to learn yourself so when you change you can be authentic to who you are. This was an example of changing and learning while still being myself. You went the cheating route so I kept that route. I am simply explaining how I am working on taking over control of my feelings while still being authentic to who I am. I lack the ability of an Fi user so I have to find other ways that align with myself. To me this is what being authentic is, it is being who you are and working with what you have so when you change and grow you still are who you are.
    Im out, its been fun

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sytpg View Post
    Well if I'm molding myself to be accommodated by my environment or to accommodate my environment.....what exactly is this freakin abstract concept of authenticity anyway?

    What sets me apart from someone who is inauthentic?

    And do I want a life of constant struggle, and taking the less natural path of tailoring my approach? Won't it be draining after a while?
    i guess you're right. i only do that with stupid little stuff.
    i'll use this scenerio as an example:
    someone (even a friend or family member) has a death in the family. they're there sobbing giving cues to give them attention, almost as if to use the situation for some kind of self benefit. i'll think to myself *good crap, you're not the one who died. you're still alive and using the situation. the one who died is probly that much more happy having died just to at least get that much farther away from you physically*....sure, i'm thinking that but, in reality, i'm doing nothing but keeping a straight face
    everyone uses every function about evenly. take NE for example. if there are those who don't use it much, then why are there such massive amounts of people constantly flowing through Wallmart with 20 items or less?

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    i see value in your approach but yeah it's not mine...i guess i just have the mindset of not everyone likes everyone...and i don't like you....this is mostly hypothetical tho.

    now if it was someone i knew i might care enough to talk with them about it or if i was in a particularly feisty mood i might decide to get into it with the person i don't know.

    but whatever....sidetracking from your point.

    let's have some actual real examples.
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    i have a friend who did this exact same thing.
    he was the classic antisocial 'i hate you and i draw anarchy signs on everything' kinda guy. no offense he was a wonderful guy! but every once in awhile he would be extremely pleasant and he even got rather popular in school, giving all the jocks high fives and whatnot.. it grew into an everyday thing and it was terrible. he expressed his Fi to the general public and in return gained many shallow acquaintances and friendships, while keeping his rude remarks to the people he knew best [myself being the major receiver].
    i think you can make people think whatever you want them to think, but the people you know best will see past it and you will end up expressing your brash side unintentionally around them anyway. its just sort of part of your conditioned relationship interaction with those people.
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