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    Quote Originally Posted by SilkRoad View Post
    Those are insulting terms...it's not normally viewed as a positive thing if you tell someone they're being bitchy, or bitching! That was kind of my point.
    There's a theory that you can take the power back from insults based upon race, sexual orientation, and gender by using them amongst yourselves...like African-Americans using *n* and homosexuals calling one another "fag" or "dyke." It's the same with "bitch" among some women. It's changing the meaning behind the word...words are just words , after all. I'm a very language-oriented person, so I figured that out in high school. It's not the sound or vocalization itself, it's the meaning and the intention. Entire languages are based simply upon agreed meanings attached to utterances. Slang evolves in this manner, as well - take into consideration words like cool (cold?) dope (stupid?) sick (ill?) and even old ones like groovy (textured?) and their more common meanings among people who use them as slang. Language itself evolves, even without slang, constantly. A language which does not evolve is considered "dead" - like Latin.

    I think a class on the History of the English language or even learning a second language might help people be a little less uptight about...words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilkRoad View Post
    Those are insulting terms...it's not normally viewed as a positive thing if you tell someone they're being bitchy, or bitching! That was kind of my point.
    So you only have a problem with a negative word being used in a positive way? Your objection is a semantic one?

    I think "bitching" has pretty much entered the vernacular and is applied to men and women equally.

    Personally, I don't call anyone "bitch" indiscriminately. It's usually in response to a teasingly cutting remark made by someone who can get away with it because we're friends. Really a very specific circumstance where I'm not sure what other word I could use. I suppose I could call them a "fustilarian" but why use 5 syllable where you could use 1?
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    To be perfectly honest, I think the pro-"bitch" as a term of endearment contingency is getting a little uptight and pedantic about this. I speak two languages fluently and a couple of others a bit, I majored in English literature, I am aware of the nuances of language, and I have taken classes on evolution of language...etc. I don't think it's terribly valid to insinuate that I have a problem with "bitch" for my dearest friends because I'm ignorant of the nature of language.

    Yeah, I guess I do have a problem with the use of a negative word in a positive way. I happen to think that society and the media fool us into thinking a lot of negatives are positive. We are all entitled to our opinions.
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    ^OK. We are the uptight ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan Le Fay View Post
    ^OK. We are the uptight ones.
    I was referring to this:

    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post

    I think a class on the History of the English language or even learning a second language might help people be a little less uptight about...words.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilkRoad View Post
    To be perfectly honest, I think the pro-"bitch" as a term of endearment contingency is getting a little uptight and pedantic about this. I speak two languages fluently and a couple of others a bit, I majored in English literature, I am aware of the nuances of language, and I have taken classes on evolution of language...etc. I don't think it's terribly valid to insinuate that I have a problem with "bitch" for my dearest friends because I'm ignorant of the nature of language.

    Yeah, I guess I do have a problem with the use of a negative word in a positive way. I happen to think that society and the media fool us into thinking a lot of negatives are positive. We are all entitled to our opinions.
    did your books say anything about how you'll come across others using their own terms of endearment? and, that when they use those terms, it in no way takes away from their meaning something positive, but instead, actually shows why it's positive?

    because it's between them and no one else?

    frankly, i can't imagine having a close friend that would take my calling them that seriously. but, that doesn't mean that because you wouldn't do it that i think you're any less close to your friends.
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    You can't start a thread like this without being called uptight, keep up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elaur View Post
    You can't start a thread like this without being called uptight, keep up!
    Ok...but I would like to point out that I didn't pull out the "uptight" word myself until someone else pulled it on me in a linguistic context!!

    I was actually hoping there would be more in this thread about the sinister pornification of society, but maybe that really is completely separate. We might need a thread about that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilkRoad View Post
    I was actually hoping there would be more in this thread about the sinister pornification of society, but maybe that really is completely separate. We might need a thread about that.
    I do think they are separate issues, and perhaps some of the prickliness is because you have linked the phenomena together.
    But I'd be interested to hear why you (and others) think they might be related.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilkRoad View Post
    I was actually hoping there would be more in this thread about the sinister pornification of society, but maybe that really is completely separate. We might need a thread about that.
    indeed, as with regards to this subject, it's because you wouldn't (or it's not usually seen as a friendly term) that it actually is in this context.

    it's because a friend is the exception to the rule that shows and emphasizes the closeness of the relationship.
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