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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    I'm getting a totally different mental picture because of my religious background. The little white-haired ladies collapsing in the aisles is just part of the prayer service and porn on the piano wouldn't result in a nasty note. There would have been a meeting with the offender, the pastor, and the board of deacons. There would have been stern looks, anointing with oil (usually extra virgin olive oil), laying on of hands, and loud praying in tongues accompanied the occasional accidental sprinkling of spit. Notes are suddenly not so bad . . .
    Mercifully, I probably would have been told to close up the piano and been ushered to the door and told not to come back.

    I would probably have gotten the same reaction for leaving AD&D hardcover (2nd edition) books there as well. I mean, when Disney's Pocahontas came out, it was positively scandalous to say publicly you took your children to see such a dreadful movie and saw nothing wrong with it.

    (sort of like "The Golden Compass" now.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    I mean, when Disney's Pocahontas came out, it was positively scandalous to say publicly you took your children to see such a dreadful movie and saw nothing wrong with it.

    The bad thing about Pocahontas was the terrible storytelling. Oh, and the historical gaffes, too... like P was only 11 when she first met John Smith. And I have been to Jamestown and the surrounding area, and I can tell you categorically that there are no high rocky bluffs within miles of the place for P to jump off of, or for Smith to climb on, or whatever. It's coastal Virginia... flat as a pancake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oberon View Post
    The bad thing about Pocahontas was the terrible storytelling. Oh, and the historical gaffes, too... like P was only 11 when she first met John Smith. And I have been to Jamestown and the surrounding area, and I can tell you categorically that there are no high rocky bluffs within miles of the place for P to jump off of, or for Smith to climb on, or whatever. It's coastal Virginia... flat as a pancake.
    I'd agree with that. If anything was scandalous, it was the lack of historicity under the guise of truthiness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Mercifully, I probably would have been told to close up the piano and been ushered to the door and told not to come back.

    I would probably have gotten the same reaction for leaving AD&D hardcover (2nd edition) books there as well. I mean, when Disney's Pocahontas came out, it was positively scandalous to say publicly you took your children to see such a dreadful movie and saw nothing wrong with it.

    (sort of like "The Golden Compass" now.)
    Oh fun. That kind of stuff really varies by church, but I did hear my brother talking about "The Golden Compass" at the last homeschooling meeting. Something about atheism. I don't remember anything being said about Pocahontas, though. AD&D would have caused problems back in the day. I'm not sure about now because I'm out of touch, but I imagine it's still not kosher. None of it would be immediate kicking-out worthy, but there would be a meeting.

    Quote Originally Posted by oberon View Post
    The bad thing about Pocahontas was the terrible storytelling. Oh, and the historical gaffes, too... like P was only 11 when she first met John Smith. And I have been to Jamestown and the surrounding area, and I can tell you categorically that there are no high rocky bluffs within miles of the place for P to jump off of, or for Smith to climb on, or whatever. It's coastal Virginia... flat as a pancake.
    Yeah, my kids saw it, but we talked about how different it was from what really happened and how we don't ask trees for guidance, but pray to God. Stuff like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    Yeah, my kids saw it, but we talked about how different it was from what really happened and how we don't ask trees for guidance, but pray to God. Stuff like that.
    That is generally how I think it should be approached. Too often the church seems like it lives in fear of the world, rather than equipping its children to make mature decisions so they can be responsible and thoughtful as adults. It should be a matter of parental investment, rather than isolation.

    Before the movie was released, my daughter saw me reading a Newsweek article about The Golden Compass and stated casually, "Oh, that's a bad movie. They kill God." I was a little stunned; I didn't even know she knew about the books, let alone the movie. I asked her if she had read the book. She said no. I asked her if she saw the movie. She said no. I asked her if she anything at all about them. She said no.

    I told her I thought opinions were good things, but that she shouldn't criticize something until she knew enough to form a good opinion... or at least she should avoid outright labels. So I am reading the book(s) now.

    There were slews of e-mails going around condemning the movie also, by people who had never heard of the books nor had seen a release of the movie, and talk of boycotting it. Rose deleted all the ones she got from church.

    Criticism breeds criticism. The church is setting itself up to be victimized and attacked in return, for approaching culture this way. For claiming to be people of peace, they are usually instigating the aggression in the uneasy relationship between themselves and the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by digesthisickness View Post
    ha.

    it's amazing how serious these 'rep' points are being taken. much like real life, some will get you and some won't. where's the shock? for the ones with a 'great rep', all they really know is that the ones who like them are people who take the time to say. the same goes for those who don't have a 'great rep'... for all you know, you do have a great rep, but the ones who think so just aren't the type to let you know by bothering with a click.

    all it inevitably tells is that some people share their opinions, and some don't.
    Agreed. It's interesting to see who is already getting points and what they're getting it for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Criticism breeds criticism. The church is setting itself up to be victimized and attacked in return, for approaching culture this way. For claiming to be people of peace, they are usually instigating the aggression in the uneasy relationship between themselves and the world.
    I agree. Reminds me of the ruckus when Monty Python's Life of Brian was released. I saw a clip from a talk show about it, where a bishop levelled at John Cleese all these accusations and examples of how, in the film, they showed great disrepsect to Jesus. John Cleese listened carefully and then replied, calmly, "Yes, I see all that. But you see, our film isn't about Jesus. It's about a man called Brian. That's why it's called Life of Brian, and not Life of Jesus. It's a parody and satire on human behaviour, not religion or faith itself."

    It was obvious that just about every point the film made went right over the heads of most of the religious leaders in that debate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    That is generally how I think it should be approached. Too often the church seems like it lives in fear of the world, rather than equipping its children to make mature decisions so they can be responsible and thoughtful as adults. It should be a matter of parental investment, rather than isolation.

    Before the movie was released, my daughter saw me reading a Newsweek article about The Golden Compass and stated casually, "Oh, that's a bad movie. They kill God." I was a little stunned; I didn't even know she knew about the books, let alone the movie. I asked her if she had read the book. She said no. I asked her if she saw the movie. She said no. I asked her if she anything at all about them. She said no.

    I told her I thought opinions were good things, but that she shouldn't criticize something until she knew enough to form a good opinion... or at least she should avoid outright labels. So I am reading the book(s) now.

    There were slews of e-mails going around condemning the movie also, by people who had never heard of the books nor had seen a release of the movie, and talk of boycotting it. Rose deleted all the ones she got from church.

    Criticism breeds criticism. The church is setting itself up to be victimized and attacked in return, for approaching culture this way. For claiming to be people of peace, they are usually instigating the aggression in the uneasy relationship between themselves and the world.
    I had a somewhat more vague, but similar conversation with my daughter about the movie. She was saying "atheist" like I would say "murderer" and I had to talk her down a bit and suggest that we ought to read up on it before we form any solid opinions.
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    Someone posted to me the following message:

    psst a**** I think you're special!!!!

    I wish I knew who it was, because that makes me go "Awwww!"

    Whoever it was, thanks.

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    Thanks for the sweet comments. I hate the fact that they are anonymous though...it doesn't allow me to get all gushy on you all. I would imagine if you're an NT this is a good thing !
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