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    You are the only modern person I know who is still carrying a grudge over the Amercian Revolution. I am in awe over it.
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    If only they'd sent Sharpe, instead of Pakenham. *shakes head sadly*



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    Ohhhhh Victor

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    Who the fuck speaks Esperanto?
    If you could be anything you want, I bet you'd be disappointed--am I right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by heart View Post
    Victor, since you live in Australia and since British English is, as you say, the internationally spoken version of English, what does all of this matter to you?

    You are the only modern person I know who is still carrying a grudge over the Amercian Revolution. I am in awe over it.
    Look what has happened to us, my Heart.

    Only a short time ago it took three months for a letter to reach us. But here we are plunged into the global village communicating at the speed of light in real time.

    When it took three months, we took our identity for granted. But today as I look into the eyes of the stranger, I ask, who am I?

    They tell me that next to the Canadians we are most like the Americans. But quite unlike the Americans we gained our independence without killing anyone and we united a whole Continent without killing anyone.

    And to boot, we are informed by the Enlightenment while the Americans are informed by the Reformation.

    And although we came off the same British tree, we are branches that came off two hundred years apart. So the Yankees came off at the time of the Royal Ascendancy, while Oz came off at the time of the Aristocratic Ascendancy. So the Yankees democratised the values of Royalty while we democratised the values of the Aristocracy.

    So in joining the global village we are discovering our identity.

    We are discovering who we are -

    1. We are the sons and daughters of the Enlightenment.

    2. We have democratised the values of the Aristocracy.

    3. Our Continent has never known institutional slavery.

    4. Women gained the vote here and New Zealand for the first time in history.

    5. And we lead the way in prosecuting child sexual abuse in our Criminal Courts.

    We are liberal democratic based on the limitation of power over slaves, women and children.

    And we define ourselves by what we are. So the American War of Independence means nothing to us. And the American Civil War also means nothing to us. American institutional slavery means nothing to us.

    So we discover who we are in the global village by what we are and what we are not.

    And let's face it, America has been the largest economy in the world for more than one hundred years and created the global village. So who better to define ourselves against? - Why, the biggest guy on the block.

    And Oz, unlike Old Blighty, England, and unlike the Yanks in America, has never had a revolution, neither a bourgeois revolution nor a proletarian revolution. And we never shall.

    My father was a Captain in the Royal Australian Navy and he explained to me the abhorrence the Navy had for mutineers, and would hang them at the first opportunity.

    Well revolutionaries are simply mutineers.

    And successful mutiny, so they tell us, is no mutiny at all.

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    Victor, the Battle of New Orleans (1814-1815) settled all of this. The British had 10,000 men verses 5000 for the Americans. It was a decisive victory for the Americans. It's over.

    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    ...But quite unlike the Americans we gained our independence without killing anyone and we united a whole Continent without killing anyone...
    Edit: You're overlooking something here. Australia's hands are no cleaner than USA hands. The first thing Cook did when he got off the ship in Botany Bay was fire his gun at indigenous Australians. Conquest of your continent rests on the blood of an estimated 20,000+ indigenous people.

    That may mean nothing to you, because of who you are. (I can't say. I don't know who you are.) But it means something to me. I am part Native American. So don't tell me how to view my own hertiage when you've never asked me who I am or where I really came from.

    There's a little more to American culture than Noah Webster and the Boston Tea Party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post

    When it took three months, we took our identity for granted. But today as I look into the eyes of the stranger, I ask, who am I?
    And that's why you're one of the seekers. I tend to pick out the best part, yes and to not read the rest, but: nevertheless: you're on of the seekers
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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    And to boot, we are informed by the Enlightenment while the Americans are informed by the Reformation.
    The Enlightenment was an outgrowth of the Reformation. Surely you knew that right?

    Where's Victor's indignation over the English rising up against and then executing their own rightful monarch in the Civil War, and then again overthrowing their rightful king in the so-called "Glorious Revolution". Maybe we can talk about the radicialism involved in Cromwell's reign of terror over the land, not least of which against the Catholic Irish(yeah yeah they were haboring pedophiles). Perhaps we can also talk about the Massacre at Glencoe.

    Nah.....let's whine about the bad ol'Yanks. :rolli:

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    Without the Reformation, there would have been no Enlightenment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heart View Post
    Without the Reformation, there would have been no Enlightenment.
    That's the major part about seeking. You could never say that for sure
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