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    Quote Originally Posted by Grace View Post
    I just recently read a study that said that the four main predictors of happiness in individuals are the character traits of: 1) Extroversion, 2) Optimism, 3) Self-Esteem, and 4) Personal control. The study was done by Myers and Diener in 1997 if anyone wants to check the facts.

    Thoughts?

    Edit* I think perhaps I should have put this in another area. Sorry!
    The problem I see is that while an introvert may have problems with social "self-esteem", internally I have a very high self-esteem and know that i can pretty much do anything I want. I mean if I turn that external, it would just come across as cocky, arrogant, etc. It only comes out with a few people and they would 100% agree with that statement.

    I also have really good personal control as introverts turn within when problems arise.
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    I've just been watching the movie, "Tea and Sympathy", on Youtube with Deborah Kerr.

    It is the perfect example of an introvert in an extrovert culture.

    The extrovert culture is gross and self satisfied and all our sympathy lies with the introverted protagonist.

    In the movie the extrovert culture is so ugly and so true.

    And just as in the movie, I went to an all boys boarding school with an extrovert culture.

    And I observed the graduates were either corrupted or scarred, just as in the movie.

    But it was only when I left school that I found tea and sympathy with my own Deborah Kerr. Her name was Raylee and we fell in love.

    And I can see now that all the extroverts lacked moral courage and so were inevitably corrupted, just like the movie.

    And being corrupted, they never found love, for love does require courage. And who wouldn't love Deborah Kerr if they could?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haphazard View Post
    We must rationalize it because we cannot have the extroverts pulling on introverts even harder to reshape us in their image because it will make us happier. Because they obviously know what is best for us because they're so damn happy all the time and that that gives them the right to tear us open and turn us inside out in the hopes that we will be more like them.

    The fact that extroverts are happier obviously means that there is something wrong with introverts. At least, that's what most people will read. And introverts will plunge deeper into their collective depression because of this.

    It's also been consistently shown that better grades are useless after a certain point. Coincidence? I think not.
    I don't think surveys were meant to be normative in the first place. They conducted a survey, and found out that introverts ranked themselves less happy than extravert. You don't necessarily have to infer that this means introverts should change extraverts also take more risks and are more likely to get injuried (perhaps due to excessive optimism and-or self esteem). Each attitude has its upsides and downsides.
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    Quote Originally Posted by teslashock View Post
    But going by that logic still implies that introversion and happiness are not correlated, and that extroversion and happiness are. It seems like you are under the impression that extroversion is a "step in the right direction" so to speak while introversion is a regression on the road to happiness, and as I stated in my first post on this topic, that's not entirely the case...
    That's what the results of the study assume. I wasn't posting my personal thoughts on the matter at all, fyi. More translating that since there were four factors involved in that study, one factor alone doesn't make a person happy according to the study. Happiness would be as a result of varying, yet high, levels of all four traits. Extroversion alone doesn't make one happy.

    But in response to your post- assuming the study is correct- if an introvert is very optimistic, with high self esteem and control, would not they be happier than an extrovert who is negative with low self esteem and lacks control? That was my point.

    My personal view, for the record, is that being optimistic and having high self esteem are very important for happiness. But there are many other factors not mentioned in the four. And as regards extroversion, an introvert would probably get very drained if they tried to be extroverted. Which wouldn't make them happy. Though if the study assumes extroversion=social life, then that changes things. Introverts with friends and a reasonable social life tend to be happier than introverts with few to no friends. Happy relationships make for happy people. And both introverts and extroverts can have close friends and family.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grace View Post
    I just recently read a study that said that the four main predictors of happiness in individuals are the character traits of: 1) Extroversion, 2) Optimism, 3) Self-Esteem, and 4) Personal control. The study was done by Myers and Diener in 1997 if anyone wants to check the facts.

    Thoughts?

    Edit* I think perhaps I should have put this in another area. Sorry!
    It goes for me.

    I read about a study that people are happiest when they are in 'flow'. I heard of this study in a TED talk, the guy was a psychologist saying that he met somebody who just could not have a fun successful date, but he didn't care about it at all and still felt happy. Because of this he thought that he was asexual or not functioning properly. The psychologist asked the women he was dating why the dates failed and every single one of them said that it was because the guy was boring and couldn't talk about anything other then his work. The psychologist went on to observe the guy in his work environment and discovered that his patient had the ability to go into flow as soon as he got to work, and at the end of the day, he wouldn't feel tired, but renewed and energized. Sounds to me like the guy didn't have to much of 1,2 & 3, but he was still happy.
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    Yes makes sense, get to socialise more and draw energy from lots of people to feel happier. but are they really, its like standing in a party, you know all the people but do you really know all the people or is this just some noise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blankpages View Post
    Yeah, that likely has a lot to do with it. Also, extroverts tend to have an easier time fitting in with others and taking new risks.

    I used to have a book on happiness, which mentioned the correlation between extroversion and happiness. It hypothesized that extroverts are more likely to try new things a lot, and explore different opportunities and new experiences, and since we all have a need for novelty happiness scores are generally greater among them.

    I should say that the difference wasn't that large though. I can't find the book right now, but as I recall introverts rated themselves, on average, around a 7 on a scale of 10 when asked how happy they are. And extroverts were maybe around 8.5.

    I'mnot sure that means much. I'm always a little suspicious of self report serveys. The result could indicate nothing more than extroverts use bigger numbers to describe vague things. In otherwords, if I asked the question "On a scale of 1 to 10, how big is the Eiffel tower?", would introverts and extroverts both give the same number on average? I suspect not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grace View Post
    I just recently read a study that said that the four main predictors of happiness in individuals are the character traits of: 1) Extroversion, 2) Optimism, 3) Self-Esteem, and 4) Personal control. The study was done by Myers and Diener in 1997 if anyone wants to check the facts.

    Thoughts?

    Edit* I think perhaps I should have put this in another area. Sorry!
    I think it would depend on the environment. In my experience, though, extroverts are generally happier.
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    My extroversion mixed with my 4 and Fi-ness makes me a melancholic, ronery person.

    At least introverts are used to, and prefer to be alone.

    We extroverts *need* company, and fulfilling company at that, and, when deprived of an adequate social companion/community we are left to quietly rot in our very own personal hells.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SillySapienne View Post
    At least introverts are used to, and prefer to be alone.
    That simply isn't true.
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