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  • Theoretically ESTPs should be more successful.

    3 20.00%
  • Theoretically ENTJs should be more successful.

    10 66.67%
  • According to (your) obserations (experiences) ESTPs are in general more successful.

    5 33.33%
  • According to (your) obserations (experiences) ENTJs are in general more successful.

    9 60.00%
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  1. #1
    Riva
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    Default ESTPs as a whole more successful than ENTJs?

    There seems to be more successful ESTPs than ENTJs.

    ESTPs in their rush to get things done tend to get things done more than ENTJs do. Some ENTJs tend to think too much. And their get things done function (Se) in only tertiary. Whereas ESTP have it as the dominant.

    Am I correct theoretically? (Se point I made)
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    Am I correct according to your observations?

    To make things much easier I am adding a voting function.

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    I am afraid that we will have to define "get things done" before we start to debate this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post
    I am afraid that we will have to define "get things done" before we start to debate this.
    Ok lets get things done.

    you define get things done and I'll agree.

    ps - people don't know what get things done means?

    YOU GET AN IDEA AND YOU IMPLEMENT IT.

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    Ok people let's get this thread moving.

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    There's a list I found on INTJcentral.com that had mean salary by MBTI type.

    ENTJ was at the top of the list.

    ESTP was down on the list, but was the top of the perceivers.

    I am not one to buy into such lists, there is too much variance in mankind to make such extrapolations on limited data sets.

    Both ENTJ and ESTP have distinct skill sets and methods of operation that allow either to be very successful. They are "equal opposites" I have heard before.

    Many factors that are extremely predictive of success (wealth) have nothing to do with MBTI. Persistence, determination, entrepenurial spirit, a social/professional network that can provide venture capital or other professional support needed to embark on a wealth building journey, family background, education, innovation, willingness to bear risk, etc.

    I'm 35, have my house paid off, one of two cars paid off, low consumer debt, and a great public sector job that allows me to have great benefits (fixed pension, group rate health+life insurance, ample time off, free college tuition via waivers, and flexible work schedule) while making a good, but not exhorbitantly high salary. I worked my ass off as an IT consultant for a decade and then dumped everything I made into my house. Now I'm crusiing along enjoying my kids and my wife and getting my graduate degree. The time for me to embark on additional conquest for monetary gain is not now, but its coming, and I'm preparing for it, and I've had a successful round of it already.

    Success is measured in many, many ways, not just money.

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    ^ that is correct but also would Fk up this thread.

    Thank you Halla, But I am trying to see observations by others.

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    There is no "theory" reagarding whether one type is more successful than the other, it's virtually impossible to determine. And why is "getting things done" a true measure of success? Why isn't it salary? Happiness? Scientific contribution? Love life?

    I think your first question cannot be answered, but that's just my two cents.

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    Riva
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    ^
    Why not getting things done the reason for success?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curzon View Post
    There seems to be more successful ESTPs than ENTJs.

    ESTPs in their rush to get things done tend to get things done more than ENTJs do. Some ENTJs tend to think too much. And their get things done function (Se) in only tertiary. Whereas ESTP have it as the dominant.
    That's your "case." That's it?
    I'm off to have a beer with Halla.

    We're both smart enough to know success comes from anything BUT that stereotypical bullshit.

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    Riva
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    I'm on stereotyping here.
    I am going on examples.

    Going to have a beer with Halla?????? WOw that sounds sooooooooo manly.

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