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    Quote Originally Posted by Synarch View Post
    What is your reasoning?
    I am one person, so sacrificing myself for 10 people is worthwhile. Their lives collectively are worth 10 times more than my one life. When it comes down to one life vs. one it becomes hard for me to evaluate.
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    1-6 all get to die!

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    Quote Originally Posted by iamathousandapples View Post
    1-6 all get to die!
    More for me!
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Liquid_Laser View Post
    I am one person, so sacrificing myself for 10 people is worthwhile. Their lives collectively are worth 10 times more than my one life. When it comes down to one life vs. one it becomes hard for me to evaluate.
    What's the value of a life defined outside of a comparison to other lives? Define life in some other value. How about money?

    Option A: Life is priceless
    If life = priceless, then 1 life is of equal value to 1 billion lives. If life is priceless, all the choices are really the same thing disguised as different choices.

    Option B: A life has a monetary value
    If life is not priceless, you should be able to put a finite monetary value on it. For example, one life = the value of a mansion in Hollywood. 1000 lives = the value of buying a developing country. etc.

    It's either a simple case of economics, or you're subscribing to life being priceless and fooling yourself about making any decision.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Usehername View Post
    What's the value of a life defined outside of a comparison to other lives? Define life in some other value. How about money?

    For example: life = priceless.
    If life = priceless, then 1 life is of equal value to 1 billion lives. If life is priceless, all the choices are really the same thing disguised as different choices. If life is not priceless, you should be able to put a finite monetary value on it. For example, one life = the value of a mansion in Hollywood. 1000 lives = the value of buying a developing country. etc.
    If each person's life is priceless, but it can only be priceless to that one person then 100 priceless lives are greater than one priceless life. 100 sets of infinity vs. one set. Or, maybe we mean priceless in the sense of preciousness rather than infinity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Synarch View Post
    If each person's life is priceless, but it can only be priceless to that one person then 100 priceless lives are greater than one priceless life. 100 sets of infinity vs. one set. Or, maybe we mean priceless in the sense of preciousness rather than infinity.
    Yeah, I'm referring more to the notion of precious. Have I got my math wrong? I thought 100 sets of infinity is still infinity, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Usehername View Post
    Yeah, I'm referring more to the notion of precious. Have I got my math wrong? I thought 100 sets of infinity is still infinity, though.
    Only if you add them together. To each person, their life is precious. So, since each person is limited to their own point of view, I don't think we can group each priceless thing into a sum total.

    This was all sorted in the 17th - 18th century, though. Utilitarianism is basically founded on this principle of determining success based on maximal outcome for the most individuals. It has it's own problems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Synarch View Post
    Only if you add them together. To each person, their life is precious. So, since each person is limited to their own point of view, I don't think we can group each priceless thing into a sum total.

    This was all sorted in the 17th - 18th century, though. Utilitarianism is basically founded on this principle of determining success based on maximal outcome for the most individuals. It has it's own problems.
    Are you talking about (a) viewing only one's own life as infinitely valuable or (b) life, by definition, as being invaluable? Does it make a difference? I thought it did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Usehername View Post
    What's the value of a life defined outside of a comparison to other lives? Define life in some other value. How about money?

    For example: life = priceless.
    If life = priceless, then 1 life is of equal value to 1 billion lives. If life is priceless, all the choices are really the same thing disguised as different choices. If life is not priceless, you should be able to put a finite monetary value on it.
    I understand your point but I don't see it that way. I don't think life can be valued monetarily, but I don't see a life as having totally infinite value either. A life has a finite duration, and each life can have a varying quality as well. It is hard to measure the value of someone's life other than to say it is worth exactly one life. One life is a finite value.

    The best analogy I can think of is a barrel full of apples priced at $.79 each. Each apple has a finite value but if I inspected each apple carefully I could tell which apples are better than others. Some of these $.79 apples I would value more than other $.79 apples. The $ amount doesn't really capture the true value of the apple. On the other hand if I was given the choice of one apple of my choice for $.79, or ten random apples for $.79 total I would not hesitate to take the 10 apples. I know I'm getting a better value simply because 10 apples is a lot better than one apple, even if I do get to carefully pick the one apple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Usehername View Post
    Are you talking about (a) viewing only one's own life as infinitely valuable or (b) life, by definition, as being invaluable? Does it make a difference? I thought it did.
    I see what you're saying. I think priceless in this case would have to imply that life approaches infinity, rendering life invaluable except in cases where the value of each life comes into conflict, which necessitates some calculus, either based on your own morality or your own willingness to commit others to death in exchange for your own life.
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