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    Thought I might chime in, INTJs make very good mid-high level commanders. We excel at the big picture, and understand that wars are not won with fancy technology or a few victories. Almost every single war is won through attrition. (Full War Mode)

    The idea is to make as many of the bad guys die for their country, than your guys die for theirs.

    It is also this reason nuclear weapons keep us in super power status, we can kill more of their people, than they can kill ours.

    IF I was on the ground, I would be a long range sniper, Barrett .50 Cal please.

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    Exodus, attrition isn't the most effective way of winning a war.
    Sometimes necessary, depending upon circumstances.
    Two prime examples of attrition wars (wearing down the enemy) are World War I and the Vietnam war.
    Most other wars do incorporate this element, but there are also many other factors that play large roles.
    It's got to do a lot with the fighting environment... It's basically siege.
    Now, there is a thing called Rapid Dominance (commonly known as Shock & Awe) that is horrendously effective.
    One could argue about this from many different angles, though.
    In a way, Rapid dominance is just about wearing the enemy out faster than usual, achieving the same goal: the enemy loses their will to fight.

    Dammit. Did I just prove you right in a sense, depending on how you interpret it? XD

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    Quote Originally Posted by Udog View Post
    INFJ: Become perfect ally for each type - befriend them all, then set them on each other. By the end, everyone will be dead thinking about how wonderful INFJs are.
    muhahahaahahahaaaaa!!! *cough cough*
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    Quote Originally Posted by CzeCze View Post
    I thought armies were a bunch of XSTJs being led by a diabolical heartless XNTJ?

    That's how I'd have my army. With some super sneaky MacGuyver-esque ISTPs and fearless Berserker-esque ESTPs and a mad scientist ENTP or two in the mix. And some super patriotic NFs in the mix for that extra "oomph" and to give the occasional speech.

    I agree with Katsuni, ENTP army = fail. Add to that INTP army = fail.

    Actually, any "P" dominant army? = SUPER Fail. Unless you're looking to just win the battle (one of them) and not the war.

    Really, how does being a J increases your battlefield performance?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cloud View Post
    Really, how does being a J increases your battlefield performance?
    Strategical planning. Structure. The ability to follow orders without too much interpretation and unwillingness. Following procedures that are there for a reason, etc.
    The organization should always be Jish, with P-advisors and quite a few P-soldiers and specialists.

    Don't get me wrong. Improvisation which is the P-domain is important, but P laziness and slacker attitude, forgetfulness, dislike for structure and laws, inability/dislike of taking orders and not being on time aren't good army traits.
    That's a double-edged sword, though. With too much structure and precise individuals, there are too few who can come up with new solutions and break regulation when that is clearly needed.
    When something is clearly without structure, it falls apart due to squabbling, logistics problems, lack of direction and all that general first-class clusterfucking.
    Thus, balance is key. Within a good structure with a crystal-clear chain of command down to the last soldier, things work out best for everyone. All healthy individuals can find their niche within an army, I believe.
    P's are not designed to organize, they are more the "field operative" type.
    Especially ENTPs and ESTPs make absolutely EXCELLENT soldiers, when they get to roam free a little and cause havoc.
    P-types work best under democratic circumstances, when they are allowed to discuss things.
    ENTPs and INTPs absolutely LOVE to squabble about things, generally.
    It can be quite annoying when you are taking fire, I reckon.
    Orders cannot and should not be discussed when time is of the essence.
    Of course, there are exceptions to the rules, like concentration camp shit and warcrimes.
    But generally... Orders must be followed.

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    How much "J" do I need to play a first person shooter game?

    You are emphaszing on the importance of military discipline and following orders. However, I do not that is the crucial factor in deciding the outcome of a war.
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    You have to see the entire picture. Everything needs to work like one huge, well-coordinated machine.
    Js would work without Ps(even if it wouldn't be cool), but Ps would not ever put together an army in the first place.

    The logistics. The overall strategy which gives direction and holds the army together.
    The individual soldier performance can be both suffering and improved by Pness.
    Preparation is not a P-thing. Soldiering is all about being prepared.
    Improvisation is also something hugely important, and that's a P-thing.
    Thus, Js and Ps need each other.
    Js ties the Ps shoes, gives him food and try not to kill him for sleeping too late or dawdling etc.
    Ps come up with strange but effective solutions or do crazy shit when the group is in a fight.

    P dots in the J landscape are great, but the overall thing cannot be P.
    Then the soldier doesn't have anything but an empty stomach and maybe sticks to fight with.


    I do realize that almost nobody is completely J or P. This is archetypal.
    Those who are... Well, they're generally disturbing, in my personal opinion.
    Maybe it's just me, but balance is what makes a great person.

    Mightier than the tread of marching armies is the power of an idea whose time has come

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    Quote Originally Posted by YourLocalJesus View Post
    Ps would not ever put together an army in the first place.
    No. This statement is already false.

    When a battle breaks out, everything will go out of control, meaning that the you cannot control what is going to happen next.

    Following orders and discipline is important, but far more important is to survive from Se overload and not get killed. What is Se overload you ask?
    it is like siting your ass in the middle of the highway and watching a thousand cars rushing towards you.
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    why is everyone warring? for type superiority? That's typist. >:|

    If I were in a position of war, I'd like to work behind a leader so I can force some of my evil idears onto the battlefield...like Blackguards riding Beholders for AWESOME CALVARY

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    Quote Originally Posted by cloud View Post
    No. This statement is already false.

    When a battle breaks out, everything will go out of control, meaning that the you cannot control what is going to happen next.

    Following orders and discipline is important, but far more important is to survive from Se overload and not get killed. What is Se overload you ask?
    it is like siting your ass in the middle of the highway and watching a thousand cars rushing towards you.



    Quote Originally Posted by Adoamros View Post
    why is everyone warring? for type superiority? That's typist. >:|

    If I were in a position of war, I'd like to work behind a leader so I can force some of my evil idears onto the battlefield...like Blackguards riding Beholders for AWESOME CALVARY
    I see you like D&D Would be kinda nice to see if a Beholder could hold the weight of a guy in plate armor

    Beholder:


    Blackguard:



    Mightier than the tread of marching armies is the power of an idea whose time has come

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